Imo, Ragnaros is slightly overtuned atm and for that I blame his Lava Wave Heroic.
So I’d like to see some sort of nerfs on it (or on Rag himself).
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I don’t know how you nerf lava wave without making it terrible.
It’s good without dealing damage to enemy heroes. I guess you could nerf that aspect so minimal damage just so it stops channels/dismounts?
Or maybe there is a way to modify it so it only gets 50-75% of the exp as normal?
What exactly makes it feel too strong to you? (probably what i should have led with to more constructively start a discussion).
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It’s soak power, I’d say.
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yeah, i think the only solution is to somehow cap the exp it can soak, or make it soak only like half exp?
I dunno if those are even possible. 
Last time Lava Wave was changed was in August 2017 ( when Lava Surge CD reduction was increased from 10 to 30 seconds|, since than it was touched only when regen globes were added.
Why do you think it is too strong now?
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I wish lava wave had like 60 sec cooldown but did half the damage against minions/mercs (or even less, the point here is for it to not kill a 100% hp minion) but did way more damage to heroes (right now it deals 100% more damage to heroes, but it could be even more). That way it would be a teamfight ultimate instead of just wasting it every 2 min.
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Lava wave is only strong in games where your team isn’t macroing properly and you have to pick up the slack though.
Granted that’s literally every single game since most players don’t have the slighest clue how to macro. It’s especially OP at low ranked quickmatch.
But I thought you play at masters level? Or do you mostly play quickmatch which would explain it.
I don’t think lava wave is too strong at all in games where teams are macroing properly so there’s no need for to rely on a crutch like lava wave to pick up the slack in soak.
E.g. not sure if you know fan hots but playing in high GM, he almost always prefers sulfurus smash to lava wave
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Lol were you in that game where I played as Rag just a few moments ago?
Rag’s Lava wave power comes with the fact that you can clear multiple minion waves safely every so often. If your wave is completely pushed in, lava wave resets it to roughly midway. If you’re ahead, lava wave can punish teams - if they are pushed in they can maybe push out to half/or a third but you can just press a button to screw them over while they have to risk positioning.
Then when you get 20 it’s even more cheese with faster charges lol.
The balancing fact is supposed to be that Rag is giving up a reliable team fight ult (despite the fact that he could use it in a team fight in lane/core). He also can’t really wave clear that well on his own (excluding Molten Core), at least not compared to heroes like Xul/Kael. However in this game, macro such as pve/xp can tend to win games more than team fights so if you can press the I win button life tends to be good.
It’s fine as it is lol 2 0chars
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Because I can soak 1 entire lane without being there or having any kind of counterplay on my enemy’s side. If I cast Lava Wave they can’t do anything, I just kill all the minions and get a ton of xp.
I’m Diamond 2 (editted from 3 because I’m climbed) atm, so I rarely play with and against Masters this season, and I do prefer QM, true.
But Rag is my safe pick. 13 games in SL this season, 76.9% wr. With QM, it’s 58 games, 79.3% wr.
What I feel is that Rag is a pretty decent Hero on its own, even without a Heroic in the fight, since his macro pressure is just insane.
I’m glad to hear, that at GM lvls, SS is picked and used, since in a teamfight, a good wombo with it is lethal.
But in Diamond/Low Master and in QM, I can carry with Rag (if the rando draft picks allow it).
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tbh, in theory it SOUNDS really good, but its just 1 wave of minions youre clearing. ( 2 if you time it like a pro ). but that means at most, 60 seconds free of pushinng in a single lane at MOST. its cooldown is alot more than 60, and its one lane. you still have to go to the two others ( or one other ). the point is, that to soak 60 s worth of exp isnt THAT crazy, since you sacrifice your ult to do it. take sulfuras smash for instance. it is a REAAALLLY good ult in teamfights. the only reason to take lava wave is if:
- youre in QM and ppl dont soak
- youre in a specific teamfight comp, which focuses on teamfights mostly, and you want that extra macro ( still a bad comp design )
it IS good, but its not game winning. i rarely pick it tbh cause it is NOT at ALL a substitute for a sololaner. a hero like zagara can destroy a lane ALOT more efficiently than a lava wave, and again, that is your ULT youre wasting for macro. and ngl, it might not be the absolute best choice sometimes. say you are behind, you can either pick lava wave, and try to keep up in exp just barely, or pick the other ult so that theres a chance you will get an entire comeback. so it really depends on the situation. i dont think it is op, because of its long CD.
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Buffing sulfuras smash back would be a good start.
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uhmm…wat XD? its SOO GOOOD tho … whyy? it does a TON in teamfights, and ive gotten WAYY too many kills from it, even more than malthael last rites. ive gotten a ton of double kills with it, kills behind walls, and its CD is not half bad. even if u miss totally its 80% of the time back by the next teamfight
only way to nerf lava wave would be to make it move faster. my guess is the timed the speed of lava wave to hit X minion waves, so u gain to much xp. if the speed of the wave was tuned up some, say 12% u wouldn’t lose that much dam on heroes but u would miss 1 more minion wave.
But Zagara can’t destroy two lanes at once and you can hunt her down, unlike the Lava Wave.
Lava Wave is like getting TLVs from a mere Heroic, and imo, the vikings are a strong Hero.
I’d nerf either the cd, the xp gain or dmg, so it won’t instakill the minions even from behind.
she can with nydus network 
. with a bit of skill and exp orbs, you can use zagara to soak 2 lanes better than 1 lane rag and lava wave.
TLV are 3 heroes for 3 lanes permenantly, lava wave is a temporary thing for a single lane. wat ur point xD?
DONT nerf dmg at ALLLL. it would become horrendous. nerf CD by 10 or 20 seconds idc about that ult alot. exp gain has never been an issue for lava wave, since it never gave a visible advantage. and exp late game from minions becomes pointless anyways.
I must have remebered it when it was the absolute doom of its release days 
some ppl still forget to this day that a secret gadget the size of the entire freaking screen exists at the corner, called the minimap
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lava wave was op back in the day but not now,
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My point that LW is close to TLV amount of support soak bit he’s doing it with one, no-counter button, while he’s also a strong Bruiser himself.
You can counter every push and soak by killing the Hero doing it. But LW is unstoppable.
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