Kith's Tychus Review + Rework

[Kith-11735]

@Ocek-1343

Honestly any change that isn’t making Odin a permanent form is just gravy for me. I want to be in an Odin mech, not be in a mech sometimes .

It actually bugs me an awful lot that Tychus was given the Odin as a Heroic because it all but guaranteed that we wouldn’t be getting a Thor hero. It’s awfully hard to separate the two, though…

@Tazrizen-1464

I think the suggested changes are interesting, making tychus an incredibly heavy handed hard counter to comps that utilize armor. Definitely a niche that has yet to be filled in hots despite how much armor and percentage based damage is floating around. Never did feel like simply doing % damage was a good counter to armor either, it only really acted either too slowly or it was just not sufficent against things like crystal aegis at level 20 on something like a valla or uther giving 50 armor to something like a sylvannas.

Honestly, I don’t think the new Tychus would be that much of a heavy-handed counter to anyone except Garrosh (and even then, it’s not like Garrosh doesn’t have methods of dealing with the big blue goon).

@Tazrizen-1464

I do disagree with some of the talent and ability ratings, I definitely feel as if laser drill could easily be a B and thor is not a must pick, but I see the reasoning behind it.

Which ratings do you disagree with, aside from the Laser Drill?

@Tazrizen-1464

Solid thread post

Thank you!

@Naoki-2731

I can’t imagine Tychus without his Drakken Laser Drill, honestly.

Once upon a time, I was the same way. When I play Tychus I want to play Tychus, not ride around in an “Odin”. However, the changes to his Attack Range and sustain made my old Rhythm/Laser build demonstrably worse than Bigger/Odin, and now whenever I give the old build a shot (or even just Bigger/Laser), it feels like I’m playing a handicap.

@Naoki-2731

Drakken placement… well, yes, it’s not automatic and sometimes it takes 3 clicks, but once you do and if you manage to hide it well… works wonders for me. Great zoning and dmg.

This perfectly illustrates my issues with the current Drakken, though.

1. The placement is such a pain. I remember once upon a time when I could self-cast it reliably and it was basically like having an extra charge of Run and Gun because it shunted Tychus out of the way.
2. You have to hide it. Drakken Laser Drills are massive mining tools that are basically siege equipment, they shouldn’t have half as much health as a Bunker.

The range is good and the damage is good, but I feel like it’s just not enough - and I say this as someone who used to swear by the Laser Drill all the time.

@Naoki-2731

Good post tho and great ideas. But don’t remove the Drakken!

Technically I’m not advocating for its removal

@Ephraim-11147

i always take it on BoE because that upgrade is excellent in both burning the immortal and defending against it.

That’s a pretty reasonable use case, I will admit. I personally prefer to take Odin or Sizzlin’ Attacks because they’re more reliable in a Teamfight, though.

@Biochemikas-2174

@OP
When you consider In the rhythm and Q range as bad talents (and then for whtever reason rate lvl16 talent higher than grenade), I know you don’t really play tychus at all.

Alas, my ruse has been discovered - I only partake in Tychus casually!

@Biochemikas-2174

In the rhythm has been, is, and will always be the default antitank (hence simply default) choice (TBA is OK, but that’s not why you pick tychus).

The Bigger They Are… has such massive mechanical and statistical advantages over In The Rhythm that I cannot possibly understand how you would think this. Please explain further.

@Biochemikas-2174

I’m not a fan of not taking lvl20 odin, but sizzling and bob and weave are both very powerful talents too.

Are you going to share why you think this, or are you just going to make statements with no backing?

@Biochemikas-2174

With a couple niche exceptions, tychus’ entire talent tree is actively used and quite balanced.

“Actively used”? Maybe, but not by skilled players. Picking Diamond and Master on HOTSlogs, the following talents have a sub-20% pickrate:

• Combat Tactician (9.1%)
• Master Assassin (18.4%)
• Concussion Grenade (7.1%)
• Spray ‘n’ Pray (15.3%)
• Lead Rain (8.8%)
• Focusing Diodes (15.2%)
• Bob and Weave (16.9%)

That doesn’t say “quite balanced” to me.

@Biochemikas-2174

Saying that there’s “no talent diversity” is a very blatant lie and again shows lack of tychus experience.

We’ll agree to disagree.

@Biochemikas-2174

Learn to play tychus before even trying to make suggestions. You just wasted hours of your time that could have been used to actually play tychus instead.

I mean, he’s only my highest-leveled hero. I don’t know what more you want from me.