Karazim is really useless

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I hate when people on my team pick him. His healing is really bad (probably even weaker than rehgars) and they always end up dying immediately. Please stop picking kara unless you REALLY know what you’re doing because hes probably the worst healer to pick for someone who has no idea what they’re doing

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Is this a rage post about Kharazim being bad or a rage post about players being bad? I can’t tell.

Regardless, his healing is not bad (neither is Rehgar’s for that matter, although Rehgar certainly has other weaknesses).

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Came here jebaited by the title to find out you were saying another thing :frowning:

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Lucio doesn’t have good healing until late game so I guess we should never pick him as well? :thinking:

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Yeah , it looks like person is just someone who complaines a lot , never fills and prob stuck in lower levels.

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See :smiling_face: kharazim isnt the issue , its the player .
However that statement can apply to any hero lol but my biggest issue with what you said in this post is saying his healing is as bad as reghar.

Reghar is by no mean a weak healer.
Hearly game ill admit his heals can be underwhelming… But mid game and end game reghar is a character to take seriously.

A good reghar can be on par with morales and malfurion.

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I think that would probably be Ana. For the worst of you don’t know what you’rs doing.

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Khara:

  • mobile support, what helps him to heal teammates quicky/retreat/attack;
  • has a lot of ways of playing;
  • anti-bursy healer, because heal ult and anti-tank, because %dmg ult (49% from max hp on 10 lvl);

So - no, he is not useless. You are wrong.

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I dont know… I know ana’s pretty up there but i could think of a few before her.
If we stick to supporting heroes

  • medivh
  • Abathur
  • tassadar

Those are 3 " you best know what you are doing " support heroes i can think that might be requiring more skill and knowledge to play properly because if they dont… They become huge liability for their team and will most likely sink their team.

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Those heroes are more team one, because they can’t do so much as other heroes alone. If your team do bad - no matter what you do - you will lose.
Medivh can do some things to comeback a game for his team - but other two…

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I have out healed Ana, Morales, Stukov, every other healer in the game with Kharazim. It matters less if the person playing him knows how to play him, more so if the team knows how he works. He kinda just a burst Brightwing as far as healing goes haha. People expect to always be full hp because they have a healer, and don’t understand some healers have mechanics that require you to actually assist the healer with their healing.

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He is right.
Look at this.

[Album] imgur.com

For example you can go CD reduction + mana D and spam your healing as much as possible.
With your savind ult you can to not let allies to die.
and + shields on 20 lvl.

He can really heal a lot.

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Recently I posted about what supports I thought are able to carry a game and there were 4 of them

Tyrande, Ana

Stukov, Kharazim

Nah, I think he’s fine, in fact he’s one of the 4 best supports (IMO) ATM :slight_smile:

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The third option is that OP is bad and trying to deflect from the real problem.

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Kharazim isn’t bad per se. He’s just kind a… situational, from my experience. It’s hard to make him work if you don’t have a solid frontline and tons of CC.
But iirc, he’s the only support who can solo a boss now… Maybe Tyrande too, after a year of fighting… and Deckard after 2 years of fighting.

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Tassadar can fight solo boss too on 20 lvl.

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Are you really going to use stats from a 40 minutes game to support your argument? It seems like a really weird choice.

I’ve healed just as much as that Kharazim in LESS than half the time

https://imgur.com/C9d5rsC

But we’re getting off topic. The reason why Kharazim can appear like a bad hero is that he is feast-or-famine. If the enemy has a multitude of ways of repelling you and making it so you can’t auto for healing or CDR, you basically get no value. I’m assuming the OP just recently came out of just such a game and hence, this thread.

But regardless, I do think that feast-or-famine is a very bad design target for any hero in any game. This often leads to situations where they are either utter trash or broken OP. Objectively, neither are favorable.

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He has high end healing, but requires a strong or double support comp. In order to heal he first needs to complete trait quest and then to actually heal he needs to land auto attack hits to proc CDR. Do this right and you can end up with utterly insane healing numbers (>300,000 in the one single lane match I had). However if one cannot safely land auto attacks one cannot proc healing CDR and hence will have far worse healing than practically all support heroes.

Exactly.

Not fair comparison. Alex is a percentage healer and your team had high health heroes hence got more healing value from her.

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You’re missing the point completely. The imgur screenshot was just a nitpick on my part. The reason why Alex can get numbers like this is because her only limitation is her healthbar, something that is not restricted to combat like Kharazim or Auriel.

Kharazim is also restricted on the basis of the enemy’s comp and whether or not they have the tools to prevent Khara from autoing them nonstop. Alex is free to do what she wants against any enemy team with maybe the exception of Ana, Kael, or Junkrat, but even then, thats just her W. Most of her healing comes from Q which is unstoppable and unpreventable.

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I love solo killing Chogall cheesers with Khara ^.^

My most recent was a Chogall on enemy team, so me and my buddy went Khara/Leoric… STOMP STOMP STOMP

I think a lot of player’s issue is trying to play Khara like a Varian/Malganis/even Kerrigan. They don’t know the importance of being extremely careful as Khara because it isn’t just damage your team loses if you die as if you were an assassin/bruiser, you’re the healing guy… But ofc that simple fact goes over a lot of player’s heads. Apparently they can’t show restraint with Dash, they must dive :confused:

There’s a careful balance between being in the melee enough to make your healing effective (assuming that’s where you’re needed, and Khara needs to melee/AA to heal better), and just diving and getting focused to death.