genuine question that im having recently, it seems when I play QM on healers or tanks, I have generally competent teammates that are at least willing to cooperate, but I get the worst dredge the moment queue as an assassin/bruiser.
not in a salty way, just curious if there’s a system like that hidden in the game.
I think Heroes Profile has something like that in terms of measuring specific statistics, but that’s third party so I can’t confirm. I would assume that there is a form of Hero MMR, because when you play a hero you’ve never played before the opponents seem to be pretty easy compared to a hero you have played 1000 games with and have a 55%+ WR. I remember seeing someone state this on the forums in the past, but that was a while back and I’m too lazy to look it up to verify.
I’ve been having a blast playing Garrosh in ranked, but, I’ve seen the opposite. Just now I finished a horrible Garrosh match where the Genji was just spamming in the chat “Should have looked at people’s profiles” because he wanted to play Diablo and the banner banned Diablo. Thing is, the Genji didn’t even hover anything. I played Garrosh. Was I good? Not really, but that might have been because going against a Blaze, Tychus, and Leoric was difficult for me. I felt like I got melted. There was a point in this game though where 3 of us were chasing an Azmodan and Thrall missed his W and Hanzo missed his R. Sigh, I need work with Garrosh for sure. Was by far my worst match as Garrosh. I’ve played better to the point I got praised for it… this match was not that.
I’ll share it here for those who want to flame me for my horrible Garrosh play. I don’t mind. It’ll give the forum something to laugh at for sure lol. Genji spammed chat so tell me out of 10 how annoying it was. Enjoy the cringe or laughs, whichever you prefer.
If azjackson were to reply he’d probably say “yes and no”
From my phone, I’m not going to fish for quotes/blues bit iirc, it isn’t “role-based” but there is a handicap adjustment based on hero level: less played heroes won’t be as high a matched mmr as high-leveled picks.
While there isn’t specifically role-based, since qm has particular rules and mirroring, you will effectively feel “role-based” matching due to the different pools of players to encounter when queueing as a ranged assassin compared to other essential roles.
The “expanding” parameters on matching will also be a factor depending on how long everyone else was in queue to get the game esp since the demand for tanks/supports exceeds the supply
Can you specify which role do you mostly play the most?
Healer and Support lol
Then it explains it well, your role MMR whether this exists or not, IDK, if it does, its being used to match you with similar MMR players who know what they are doing.
If it doesn’t exists, you are playing heroes that have separate MMR to your HERO MMR that is similar to those people who “”“competent”"" players.
If you lack experience in DPS roles it could mean that you don’t play them a lot or enough, thus the hero MMR is really not set, resulting in those matches.
Blizzard made it clear with one of their deleted threads on the old forums that playing a hero, especially if you are new to that hero, will always match you with lower skilled players, not out of “easy wins” but with the assumption that you don’t know how to play the hero enough.
uh anecdotal experience(?):
faced some really bad players when i played mephisto solo q or duo with someone who is actually legitimately new to the game that there was really a big imbalance as a result, MM really considers a lot of things to make a match.
I’ll try to remember to watch it when I get time. It doesn’t sound like you are but don’t get discouraged because of a game like this.
It happens to me relatively often where I can pick same hero 2 ranked games in a row.
One game i’m a god with 15 kills > 100 k dps 6 upvotes on mvp screen. Next game same hero getting flamed by a 40% winrate player struggling to make an impact.
The ranks particularly silver where matches are all over the place with high level of smurfs vs regular silvers.
To me i’m not sure how much better Diablo would have fared than Garrosh into the team you described.
There is not. But there is a new hero based adjustment up to a certain level. I forgot the exact number, but it’s very low (I believe no higher than level 12, but google is not getting great hits for this answer to confirm).
Sami did ask a good question though and sort of explains why there isn’t a role based MMR. Because you are different with every hero, your better heroes allow you to “carry” more. When you’re playing your weaker heroes, you’re probably not performing at the level that it would expect of you since the MMR is all averaged regardless of your role.
Because my healer win rates are generally far higher than my other roles, whenever I play other roles, it “feels” harder, but it’s just because I suck more at those roles and I can’t perform at the level my MMR would indicate. I mean it’s all sort of dependent on your relative average performance of your specific hero versus your MMR. It’s why I’ve always wished there was hero specific MMR for QM.
This is also one of the reasons why I roll my eyes when people say they can’t carry with healers. It’s sort of a double whammy. If you’ve spent most of your games on a role that has “earned” your MMR, suddenly playing a hero you’re not good at at an MMR that is higher relative to your skill level of a different hero, of COURSE it will seem harder. But as is the case here with Bouncy and myself, the opposite can be true too. It just depends what is the bulk of the games you’ve played to get to your MMR and how that differs from the current hero you queue up to play with.
When you’re dps, people will complain to you more, because they obsess over hero damage, and have no idea why they’re really losing.
If the game has a balanced comp and there are only 2 dps, they have less complaint targets.
Nah I’m not discouraged. I understand I need to work on playing Garrosh plus the Genji being the way he was didn’t help. This match was just a cesspool of bad decisions on my part with a team that didn’t really have an answer for anything. It happens. If anything it’s motivating for me to get better because then I can be the game changer at some point.
I’m open to pointers, but honestly that match was just something I’ll laugh at because of how ridiculous it was for me.
I appreciate your kind words though, thanks!
I’ve started appreciating playing healer more recently, it used to be my least favourite role but at the moment it’s leapfrogged tanking which was one of my fav roles.
You can definately carry with healers, you can feel a big difference on your team if your healer is just a healbot or if they use all of their abilities at their disposal well.
I don’t have the biggest healer roster that I would say i’m competent with but i’ve always had a high winrate with Uther for some reason.
Usually > 60%, I havn’t played him that much on new account 20-30 games but his winrates something ridiculous like 90% really easy to carry with him in lower ranks being able to dish out armor and stuns.
There might be stuff, but it’s hard to tell. Easy matches happen randomly, too.
There is a side-point to this.
Most people prefer assassins, and while mastery is relative it’s not an empty term. Given a specific player (MMR), they’ll be better at certain roles / heroes than others. Also true for you, likely - you are just noticing that others play equally well.
The exception is very noticeable, too. Those unkillable tanks or healers…
Also, if you look at my hero ratings for science, you’ll notice it’s less about roles and more about heroes / playstyles. 0% Illidan but 50% Qhira. Many 10-20% ranged assassins and a few in the 55-60% range.
nah yeah, playing lucio well is one of those 
things that just are too wonderful