I either watch video to learn someting or to be entertained.
For self improvement, MFP videos are not that good, Notparadox is so much
better.
For entertainment i’m watching Khaldor competitive tourneamnets. Good entertainment and gameplay to learn from.
He’s not a Grandmaster or Pro, so of course he’s not the greatest player, whatever that really means. He’s a streamer, he needs to be both informative and entertaining, who would have expectations of him also being the best player in the world?
Yeah, he even admitted it somewhere in his other videos. Jokingly said something like “people keep giving me s**t for playing less than perfect when there are so many other better players.” Pally is more an entertainer than a pro streamer, nice guy too
yeah, he is a nice guy. a bit too childish for my taste, but still a nice guy.
but at the end of the day there is one simple truth if you look at his gameplay: he is just some platinum or maybe lower end diamond dude. nothing more. that might be above average if you look at the whole hots population, but considering that he has been playing this game almost daily for many many years, I think he is absolutely below average.
maybe he is more of a fighting game or grinding game player. hots definitely doesnt seem to reflect his strong side. god, I dont wanna know what kind of a lowbie he would be in starcraft.
Being a low diamond/high platinum player is pretty impressive and much better than most players regardless of how much time it takes to get there. Progression isn’t linear, eventually everyone hits their ceiling sooner or later. The average player is around mid silver level so it is logically impossible for a guy that deserves to be platinum or diamond ranked to be below average
If you find him entertaining that’s fine. My issue is that his entertainment is usually him berating teamates who are actually trying to play. He also shot calls a lot and then AFKs so he can talk to stream, that’s just incredibly annoying to watch.
A lot of the time he gets teammates with no map awareness or that think they are playing LOL and can win games by just “doing their own thing”. I’d be mad too if I filmed 6 games in a row due to bad players making footage worthless (he expanded on this months ago when I think he was doing Hanzo and got like 6 matches in a row of people afking, refusing to participate and one game where a forum poster who was feeding as Mephisto started talking smack to both Pally and the rest of the team).
Something that is incredibly important in a TEAM-focused game like HOTS. In games like LOL, you can get away with doing your own thing. if you are winning your lane, farming correctly, getting fed,etc you can pretty much 1v3 through pure stats and not even need to worry about your teammates. There isn’t an issue with Pally trying to increase his chances of winning.
Where do you see this happening? He vents to stream but I never see him consistently just STOP playing the game when he can do something just to talk to chat.
This is just the dumbest thread. Hailfall posted a little while back, asking whether people enjoyed playing against Valeera. Since Pally frequently complains about her silence, I posted about him in that thread.
A little while later, Hailfall (coincidentally?) chooses to watch the Valeera A-Z video, and decides to completely ignore the fact that Pally hates that character, and instead post a new thread saying Pally is a bad player, based on the one video he watched. Maybe he felt this would invalidate the complaints about his favorite character.
Now we have 80+ posts debating the skill of a causal streamer who plays every single character in the game in QM…
A pointless conversation about an infrequently played character (by Pally) in an irrelevant game mode, taken from what are supposed to be fun videos.
Why would anyone care if he’s good or not, as long as it’s funny?
he’s entertaining.
To discuss the education value of his videos one must necessarily consider the value of knowing anything about this game in the first place.
So much this.
You don’t have to be a pro player to be watched a lot of people who find you entertaining, shocking I know, welcome to Youtube everyone.
You also don’t have to be a pro player to be judged when you are a not so good player, some might even say more so. Shocking I know.
I’d also question how one is entertained by screaming, constant misplays, and analysis that is just wrong, but to each their own.
Let’s be generous lol, he could have picked any handful or random video, and you could easily make similar conclusions.
That’s the thing, humor is subjective, his knowledge and skill, much less so. Also, it’s a game, of course it’s supposed to be fun, but the I’m just having fun excuse never really rang true in game. That isn’t going to magically going to fly for me when applied to video content.
Also, let’s be real, the A-Z series is specifically a series to run through the whole roster and try to inform, much more so than his other content. It isn’t just about fun.
I’m not exactly a fan of Hailfail, but he clearly gives Pally a lot of slack. He’s not calling him the devil for being bad, and saying the game is all his fault. If you can’t possibly wonder how one might come to this conclusion, that’s clearly a lack of imagination.
He did this in more than one of of the games I was in. He was afking in an off lane by himself. Saw his video later, and he was explaining something lol. To be fair, other streamers do this too, but he does it more frequently.
What I find hilarious though, is he has map awareness, but he does the wrong thing about it. My favorite is when the team is fighting, and he doesn’t help, he says I don’t know why they’re fighting over nothing.
Usually pointless brawls in a lane are pointless. What you want to be doing is ganking and soaking early game, and fighting over objectives.
Fighting in teamfights early - mid game when you don’t have an advantage or there isn’t a reason to fight is just risk for the sake of risk. Are you behind? Look for a teamfight.
Usually what I find is Pally is in a lane soaking and everyone will hard commit in a fight. He can’t rotate in time to sway the battle thus he stays.
Only fight over objectives or when it gives you the advantage. Never pointlessly brawl when you’re even. Go macro in those scenarios.
Killing the other team usually gives you an advantage and don’t become pointless when you win.
The key here is everyone. If your team goes into a fight except you, and their whole team does, it doesn’t take a whole lot of math to figure out the likely outcome of that scenario.
That’s why he’s so unbearable to watch a lot of the times. And he’s able to bamboozle and then victim blame his teammates, and viewers actually eat it up. It’s incredible.
Even if you beat the enemy team, fighting in a brawl middle when no one has the advantage is stupid. Early game you should be soaking / getting camps out properly.
Middle game you should be applying pressure across the map / looking for ganks.
Late game just group up as 5 and THEN head smash into the enemy, though only when its advantageous.
Generally it’s stupid to brawl in favor of neglecting soak and macro. Unless it’s over an objective or you have numbers advantage you optimally don’t want to hard engage the enemy.
You cant snowball like you used to, 2-3 kills early game means nothing if you missed out on waves of soak to do it.
You know, other than getting experience, preventing enemy experience gains as they respawn, map control, and then soaking/getting camps. Or perhaps you just sit there afk after winning and wait until the enemy respawns?
It’s all a matter of cost/benefit. Choosing to soak has a cost believe it or not, that’s what gold-platinum players seem to not understand. Yes, experience is important, soaking is important, that’s what silver players don’t get.
However, if you choose to soak at the cost of your team dying, you just failed. And I see Pally doing that way too often under the guise of my teammates failed, rather than I failed my team. That’s a black and white and rudimentary understanding of experience income and denial.
Right okay this comes down to risk reward. If you’re level 9.75 and they’re level 9 do you engage? No, you wait for 10 for the advantage and then press it.
When you win a teamfight (Off of a point, objective, or getting ganks) you press your advantage. I’m saying you should never engage a teamfight just for the sake of it. Unless you have a clear advantage (numbers, levels, or superior positioning) you should never engage in a fight just in the lane.
Sorry for interjecting my silver ways into this discussion.
Nope. Rarely is it when you soaking costs the death of your enemy. It’s your teams fault for engaging a 4v5 or whatnot. If there’s an objective / point and you keep soaking than yes it is your fault. Pally never does this sort of thing when it matters.
You are complaining about a team engaging 4v5 for no reason when it’s physically impossible to get there in time.
The most consistent plays are the safe plays. That is the way of this patch. Constant teamfighting when you aren’t at a clear advantage just paves the way for a comeback from the enemy team. I’ll say this one last time.
Early game: Soak in all lanes and get ganks and camps out.
Middle game: Soak all lanes and look for teamfights over points and level 10 advantage/disadvantage.
Late game: Group up and headbutt the enemy team, win the game.
Never fight in lane when you don’t have an advantage. Sure you can risk it. Engage in a fight, and see who wins and gets a small advantage.
Early game the only way you get kills is off of picks. Small 1-2 hero kills that can free up space for map control, but the more you do this the more you risk losing all momentum.
Snowballing is all about making it harder and harder for the enemy team to come back. When you place yourself in a position where its advantageous for them to win and not as much for you, you are taking that snowball away.
IN summary, use objectives, main teamfights, and ganks to GAIN the advantage. Use advantageous map control, soaking, and potentially level difference teamfights to KEEP your advantage. Brawling in the middle lane is a toss up that doesn’t guarantee value. Doing other things is guaranteed value for way less risk.
Well, that’s where I disagree. Why is it the enemy can magically compose themselves as a team, but I can look at the map, KNOW they need help, choose not to help, and then blame them when they inevitably die over fighting for nothing? There’s responsibility on both sides.
Was the enemy team stupid to not engage as a team? If only they had a black sheep to go off on their own to soak because it wasn’t worth fighting over anything. Or…they could capitalize on an advantage because of a myopic player who has an obsession with soaking.
You speak in absolutes, and mirrors some of the problems with looking at experience flow only in a unidirectional way from just minions. Using words like never, and having discrete rules for certain phases of the game is cute. The better players don’t deal in rules, they see each situation and analyze the cost and benefit. Pally often just derpy derped to a lane showing off how good he was at killing minions and then blamed his team.
That might be the case more so in the recent changes, but that wasn’t the case for most of hots history and how Pally approached his game, which was not so good lol.
IF you can post the replay I might be inclined to believe you. Not that you’re specifically untrustworthy but the last person who tried saying that MFPALLYTIME was being toxic or afking in their game got put on blast by Pally himself when he posted the chatlogs of the game (where it was revealed that the forum poster had fed like 11 times in 9 minutes after threatening to mute everyone on the team for asking him to stop, then excusing it with “im just trying to level this hero up lol”). so yea, better get to finding them replays.
He’s high plat/low diamond and generally streams his games. He’s not AMAZING at the game and also has to deal with the pressures of streaming at the same time so of course his play won’t be perfect. Especially when he has to be the one shotcalling due to everyone else on his team being braindead or not really giving a damn.
95% of the time I’ve seen this happen on his videos, his team is purposefully engaging at a disadvantage or at a time that makes no sense. Hence him asking why they are fighting over nothing. The other 5% he generally corrects himself with a “damn, I should have been there, my bad”.
Oh I have lots of imagination, but I don’t have to wonder. I laid out a timeline of how we got this thread: based on Hailfall’s previous thread, my own reply, and his exact wording in this thread.
I also never accused him of calling anyone the devil. ![:smiling_imp:](https://d3rakab8gpdsa3.cloudfront.net/en/heroes/images/emoji/twitter/smiling_imp.png?v=6" ":smiling_imp:")
I just pointed out that he arrived at his conclusions based on a tiny sample size, because of his beloved hero.
I also never made any claims that Pally was a good player, but his “educational content” is very clearly meant for the beginner player.
I’m sorry you’re not entertained by him. I hope you find something else to enjoy. ![:upside_down_face:](https://d3rakab8gpdsa3.cloudfront.net/en/heroes/images/emoji/twitter/upside_down_face.png?v=6" ":upside_down_face:")