Is it just me or is Leoric trash

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I’ve been exclusively playing Leoric for the past couple of days to try and make him work, but it seems to me that he doesn’t excel at anything.

Yes, you can make him have good wave clear, but it won’t be on par with any of the specialists.

Yes, you can be a pseudo tank by picking all the talents that help you with survivability, but you still won’t be a tank.

Yes, there are several damage oriented builds, but your damage will still be mediocre in comparison with the other assassins.

I don’t feel like I contribute anything to the game prior to levels 16 or 20. Slowly walk around to soak and press Q when it’s not on cooldown. Entomb doesn’t do anything on it’s own, unless you have the tier 20 talent. Whenever I get 2-3 people in a single entomb, I most often die without killing anyone, because I’m facing 2-3 people while having no survivability or damage myself. Even if my team is around, most often the best case scenario is I die and they manage to pick one enemy off.

Death March without tier 20 and tier 7 (increased W range) talents is garbage. It would be a christmas miracle if I hit anyone after the first swing since the ability is so telegraphed, slow, and easily avoidable. Even if it hits multiple times, the reward for doing so is not enough.

The most fun build(in my opinion) is an AA bruiser build using tier 16 Mithril Mace and tier 20 Spectral Leech/Burning Despair. Then it actually feels like I can do something, but by the time I aquire those talents, our team is usually 2 or 3 levels behind. Most common scenario is that we lose the game before or as soon as we reach level 16. And the issue is not my dying a lot. Even when I play ultra defensively and mainly focus on soaking and doing camps, we just get steam rolled before I can reach my power spike(which to be fair isn’t even that big).

Over the last 3 days I played a total of 36 games, with a winrate of 30.6%. I’m certain that at this point I have tried every possible talent combination, but no matter the talents or my playstyle, I can’t seem to make any impact on the game.

Is there some super secret discord tech to getting gut with Leoric or is he just an overall bad hero in need of a buff/rework?

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Its you. He has one of the best escapes in the game with his wraith walk. Which can be talented to reduce enemy spell power by 50% ??

His W does PERCENTAGE damage of 20% of the enemy health pool. (thats real damage.)

He has REAL sustain in lane, when he dies he stays on the battlefield and can slow enemies with his Q while he’s dead (not damage but may help team escape…)

The key to leo is hit your W’s if you cant do that then you’re going to have a hard time.

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  • Frontliner
  • Solo laner
  • High self sustain vs melee heroes
  • Great at dual soaking due to high wave-clear
  • Has innate GK
  • Can reduce enemy team damage by 50%
  • Combo set-up with Tomb

He is pretty medicore hero but he does have many things he brings to the table. Just depends what exactly you need from the hero slot.

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its just you probably and he does take some getting use to. like any other hero you need to know what counters him.

so when you say things like this im hoping you are in QM where you dont have a choice and not in draft.

…but moving on

this is a pretty solid build to start on.

  • Q to heal
  • Q extended range
  • Q extra damage after engage
  • E (engage) pass through heroes causes damage reduction
  • W extended range for self-heal

now with that said…
this is what i usually end up doing because i have played leo for a LONG time and i feel like i have a good handle on playing him.

sometimes i pick up Consume vitality instead at Level 1 because i cant be in lane more. otherwise the build stays the same.

the AA build you talk about i ‘might’ pick it if i have a morales to buff me. its kind of like playing AA diablo almost. its just not worth it without someone to buff you.

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Leoric is viable solo laner and Diablos fav side-kick (wall generator and wombo enabler)

Since nearly every comp nowadays needs solo laner and Diablo is most popular tank… Well, yeah.

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Yeah, most games were in QM. Over 70% of the time we didn’t have a healer or a tank on the team. I guess that is one reason for my unfortunate experience, I’ll try some draft. I’ll try to play a decent number of games with the death march build you posted and see how it be. Thanks my dude.

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Leo has a fairly high learning curve. It’s difficult learning to exchange damage favorably as him.

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it just takes some experience to learn what works. i also pick up Tomb when i know it will help my team.

for example high damage mages like KT, KTZ, Jaina, and Orphea may benefit from it just like they can benefit from a E.T.C mosh. you trap someone and blow them up. the difference though with mosh and tomb though is Tomb actually creates terrain. you can be crafty with it if you want and use it like a wall to block ppl! it doesnt have to always catch some if you are just trying to block ppl.

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Answering the title: yes, only you.

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The problem of Leo (or advantage, depending on how you see it lol) is that he relies a bit too much on his W… i.e. his make or break is his W

Miss that and you die, hit it well and you sustain and deal a lot of dps back at your foe… I’d imagine maybe you don’t use Quick cast and it’s hella harder without

Try quick cast on release his W, also don’t be afraid to use his E often, just try not use it for engagement but rather for escape or block :slight_smile:

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He is very good in the right scenarios, and very bad in the wrong scenarios. Like most heroes, he isn’t a general, “put Leo in any comp and watch him do well” like some of the more popular tanks like Diablo.

I find myself staying away from playing Leoric in solo Q and playing him quite alot in draft mode. This is because when the enemy team is going heavy melee, or especially if they are going double tank (very common) Leoric is a nightmare is played correctly. Artanis with amateur opponent will simply be forced out of lane again and again, really no tank can lane against Leoric, Drain Hope simply hits too hard and offers Leoric too much sustain. Couple that with his wave clear and he is an extremely capable solo laner.

However, against heavy ranged teams Leoric suffers greatly. Wraith Walk is a better escape then an engage and since he is so slow, he can just be kited all day long. Couple that with the surge in popularity of heroes like Orphea who can simply dance around him all day and it can give the illusion that Leoric is weak.

So yea, pick Leoric against double tank comps and watch his damage numbers sky rocket, pick him against heavy ranged teams and watch him die.

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:slight_smile:

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Have you seen his walk cycle? It’s OP. No one comes close to his style.

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I was lucky enough to pick him in the ARAM and the enemy had 3 tanks. i destroyed them with W build and March ult with lv 20 upgrade. i was unkillable.

He can be a beast vs high hp enemies.

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You need to do 2 things:

Engage with team.

Land your W.

Once you hit 13 and get Ominous Wraith, it becomes:
Wait for your team to be ready to jump on the enemy.

E in debuffing the whole enemy team, entomb whichever wet sock is closest to you.

Throw W at any survivors.

B-step.

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I think he’s pretty solid and in a valuable/unique kind of a position.

If you use him as main tank, ofc he’s gonna “pale” (huehuehue) compared to the big boy tanks. But he also excels at things they can’t.

Same for assassins.

Same for specs.

Leo also can go toe to toe solo with something like Chogall while being more than a threat. While Chogall is a pretty troll pick against newer players and not much of a threat (since Khara/Tychus/Malth etc) I’ve found Chogalls to be not willing to trade with Leo’s 1v1 that often since Leo’s teammates could show up at any time to finish off Chogall which is super ideal because that’s 2 players out of the game for a bit with 1 kill. 99% of the time, Chogall’s team was also composed around having a Chogall as the anchor, so taking him out leaves his team pretty vulnerable.

And I’ll be honest, few things can “bone” (HUEHUEHUE) an enemy team like a well executed/timed entomb.

In summary I think it’s pretty rare/good to have a hero with Leo’s waveclear, self sustain, ability to negate/hurt/% damage big boys, mobility, general toughness and ult utility like Leo. He’s got a lot of solid strengths. He has all that, and I’d never list him in the “OP Hero” column. That’s pretty fantastic design for a single hero tbh.

Unlike that “multi-class” jackwagon >.>

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To me Leoric is worse than before.Why? Because they reduced the mace’s impacts sounds. This killed my drive to play him much more than i thought. :frowning:
Other than that he is a more than decent hero who benefits from yrel and blaze’s nerfs plus easier level 20 reach.
Being a death sentence with buried alive every 50 seconds is nuts.

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Most other solo laners do the job better.

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aye, i don’t play the dude very often myself, & as a result i keep being surprised just how powerful he can be against double tank. big, fairly immobile targets to leech off of + a lack of damage from having one less assassin = lol i’m just gonna meander into your backline and say hi to morales

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Leoric is just not the best QM hero because he is strong against melee heroes/tanks. Playing a niche hero in QM is always a bigger gamble compared to more universal/all-rounder heroes.

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