Yep, I know there are so many threads on this… and I’m going to add to the fire because it’s very clear and very obvious this is something the majority of players do not like and therefore if the majority hate it why the hell is it still around?
You devs need to listen to your damn playerbase! You never do, you always just throw garbage at their face and expect them to just deal with it. The movement speed changes, tower changes, lane changes. All the time you don’t listen to feedback you just go and do what you want to do.
Now people don’t want to test this, they don’t freaking want this. Get rid of it, do not make it come out of PTR, understand? When there’s this many people against it just get the damn gunk out of your ears, listen to what people are saying… toss away your ego for five damn minutes!
The exp globes bring about a pointless change that hurts more heroes than it helps, and it doesn’t improve the game in any way. You wanted to make things more visual for newer players… fine. But that didn’t mean you had to change up how gathering exp worked. There were far better ways to go about this but you picked the most obscene one.
Just listen to your damn playerbase, okay? I don’t want this live, most people don’t want this live. Don’t let it come live, or I will just carry my butt out of the game, go play league and wait out this stupid anomaly. And if there is another anomaly after this, one even more ridiculous… I’m out for good. Because I am not your test dummy. Live is not for testing game changing changes.
They also wanted to discourage passive play in the Laning phase as unless one side truly dominates no progress is made which leads to people playing much more passive.
Also the only valid complaints the community has given are A it shifts the pro meta (as if the Pro’s won’t find new ways to adapt to a change that forces a lot more action)
And a handful of heroes who rely on passive soaking (Abatheur and the Vikings top of the list)
Of which Devs literally said the Vikings would be jump kicked to the top of the rework list if this change stuck so that’s just null.
There is, and I will repeat, no problem with the laning phase. I will repeat once more, there is absolutely no problem with the laning phase. If you are solo laning… say on Braxis, you will be forced into fighting anyways because you need to fight for the objective. Actually, that’s how most if not all maps go. You will be forced into the objective where you will be fighting. Dragonshire you need to be aggressive, you need to capture the shrine. You can’t play passive.
The system works fine as is, no need for any changes. Get it through your skulls.
Not all maps have objectives that are operational almost 100% of the time like on Dragonshire and Braxis
Cursed Hollow
Infernal Shrines
Volskaya Industries
And probably more that I’m just drawing a blank on have far more extensive laning phases that as of right now feel dull and promote very passive play
Also remember this change is meant primarily to shake up the pre-level 4 laning phase that is to say before any objective spawns on any map
But it doesn’t matter. Because passive play like that lasts for a few minutes until everyone is forced into the objective where they are put into a massive teamfight. Lanes are supposed to be a slight moment of respite. Besides, these changes make it so some heroes are very, very bad. Weaker heroes who would have trouble gathering the experience would just be made completely obsolete where as the system now may be slightly more passive in some maps but it is a no issue thanks to objectives constantly spawning and forcing action.
I’m not arguing this anymore. This was never an argument, this is more of a demand. This system is garbage and I won’t have it. You may like I don’t care. You’re a minority, minority vote has no sway. Sorry, though not really.
You think the laning phase is fine as is, I would love to have more impact on the overall game by outplaying my opponent in the lane and this opens up means of doing so
The only heroes who would struggle are ranged attackers, of which there aren’t any that are going to be obselete.
This change is an over all buff to many melee laners like Imperius who’s been lagging behind specifically because they are so easy to out play with passive play of a ranged assassin. And I doubt any well used ranged assassins would be made obselete with their team fight power due to lack luster laning (which might not even be as lackluster as you think)
You’re arguing about something you can’t even confirm and apparently as i just spelled out for you with the Bruiser/melee laner example you don’t know an of the positives that come about this
The devs want to TEST this and the PTR sucks for testing anything but bugs.
So it’s going live and we will see.
Thankfully the devs aren’t listening to your demand, we’ll get to see this experiment to fruition and i for one can’t wait.
Thing is I don’t much care for your opinion because it’s going positive for a system that is completely hated by the majority of players. Opinions like that never work well for the game, you’re just a fish trying to swim up stream just because it makes you different.
And you said Imperius was lacking? Bwahaha. Are you kidding? The strongest laners in the game are melee laners. Ragnaros, Thrall can basically handle anyone. Chen is amazing, and Rexxar while not exactly melee can basically bully anyone out of lane even if they are playing passive.
Melee heroes are in a just fine spot most melee heroes are some of the strongest in the game or at least were. Alarak, a melee hero just got nerfed cause he was bonkers broken.
You’re saying I’m wrong and you’re telling me a rag can handle anyone? Bruh you ever actually tried laning against a Raynor or a Valla as Rag? it’s not happening they are going to push you out rather quickly and if you slip up even once they have you dead to rights!
Thrall can handle a bit better but it’s also not hard to pressure him down with any number of decent AA assassins, mages too depending on their range.
Vocal Players of which maybe 1% have actually played it
His laning is not the main reason he’s so good and since he fights in the minions anyway he’s not getting touched by this change over all.
Rexxar benefits the most from this change the actual hero is a ranged hero but Misha can grab the damn Globes why are you whinning about him in this thread?
Alarak is one Melee hero who has a metric ton of things that make him dangerous in any circumstance if played well, a silence and displacement/mobility not to mention he has ranged poke that can be built into.
Oh and the Sadism trait can be very potent
Ragnaros doesn’t really need to worry about laning at least come 10. His ult soaks up all the experience and allows him to get ahead and stall if behind. He also has an absurdly quick clear time for minions. And again, the only time you need to worry about actually winning your lane is when you are on an objective based map where winning the lane is necessary. And guess what, there’s only two maps like that, Braxxis and Dragon. These changes do nothing but make bruisers become the dominant pick on these maps. Thrall who is already one of the strongest laners will now just go and rip everything up and bully every hero out of lane and make them lose out on so much experience.
I’m just… I’m getting really sick of your responses now. Do you mind just taking yourself out of MY post? Thanks.
except you don’t have any means of demonstrating the “majority” don’t like this.
Rather than pay attention to that, you want to pretend it is because you’d rather lie about something. This effect is further pervaded with the claims the devs, don’t, haven’t, and won’t listen to feedback.
Not only is that also fabrication, but the request would be pointless: if they never listen to the playerbase then not only would they then not do so now, but the one reason offered (the majority don’t like it) is not substantiated, so on two counts, they wouldn’t follow on this claim alone.
Of what has been said are requests for consistency of effects to be ‘exceptions’.
However, since you’re not keen on paying attention, seem to believe your own lies, and otherwise didn’t notice anything more provocative to offer, of course you’d skimp out on that distinction in favor of assuming stuff jives with the “fire” you allege to be about.
Were that the case, you’d have 3 reasons more than you provided for this change than to not have made this topic. So gj on presenting a majority that defeats your motion of your own making.
No proof? Forum shows plenty of proof. So many posts stating their hate for it, so many comment posts in these posts agreeing. And I only see these same little faces coming in defending it like you and Melke. But your bias against ours and we are the majority like it or not. I don’t want to test this, if PTR is so bad improve it but PTR being bad is not my issue it is there issue.
You too, Xenterex, get out of my post. You take forever to type anything and it’s usually nonsense that comes out.
Bruh did you want to have a discussion, or just a bunch of people that like your initial rant? Don’t make a post unless you want people to respond to it. That’s what forums are for.
The cooldown on Lava Wave mena yes he still has to lane, even post 20 it wouldn’t be short enough to let him skip laning altogether
That obviously means nothing to a change meant to shake up the pre-4 time now is it?
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Or you match him with any number of other lane bullies who cna pressure the melee like IMperius, Artanis Sonya Varian etc
OR
You go a gank comp with heroes like Qhira, Lunara and Butcher to utilize this new short range requirement to gather ExP to punish the laners.
Also considering post 13 when the spawn timers start getting long Ranged heroes still very very much ahve their place in the team fight i becomes rather important to have them so it’s not going to make said heroes Oselete.
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To have a “majority” you would need to demonstrate some sort of estimate of the “total”. The capacity to assert a few topics made does not make a “total”, esp by other metrics set on the forum that can better demonstrate popularity (and project to that ‘total’)
Some topics get thousands of views and hundreds of responses (or even 100 likes)
Your ember doesn’t have any clamor of that size to be indicative of a majority; you’re not observant enough to notice, you don’t have an interest in being honest, you have a skewed sense of ownership and you haven’t even gotten that support in this topic to suggest your stipulation correct.
So really, the only person that seems to be taking in by your foolhardy dribble is you.
This isn’t nor ever was a discussion it’s a demand and to rally like-minded people against this decision. I don’t want to hear the very few people who are for this, it was never made for them. I don’t care about their side, I already made up my mind. I’m just going to ignore them now. They have no voice here.
Nope. Not evaluating a damn thing on live. I am not a lab rat, I don’t test things for you on the main game. And hey, I can be reasonable. You want to test stupid ideas? Brawl. What is Brawl for? It’s for testing wacky things. Make it a brawl, I don’t wanna see it in the main game. What is the point of anomalies affecting every game mode? It’s no longer an event it’s just a glorified change forced on us for a limited time.
Putting it on a brawl makes everyone happy. Players who don’t want to try it won’t be FORCED into it, and players who do can and blizzard will still get their data.
on that irony.
