I like current Tassadar

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I only started playing at the beginning of last year. What is Tassadar’s balance history?

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I… agree.
I have used to his kit. I think some talent rework would fix him.
Example if fix those talents

And buff Tassadar’s Max hp and dmg, he would be less niche.

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These are pretty thought out. I already like how resonation and phase disruption work and don’t think they need changes.

I’m not sure I completely understand how your vision of Khaydarin resonance would work. Why is this better that what’s in game now? I kinda think the barrier just needs to be completely changed or even replaced.

I don’t really take shield battery but this would be an interesting idea. I personally wouldn’t use it as the additional AA targets or wall spam is just too much fun in comparison :slight_smile:

I think he definitely needs some slightly higher HP. I would be fine with his current damage if the AA quest was baseline or stayed after his rework.

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I want to play Tassadar thus I’m in favor of reworking him. His design even currently is fine but his numbers would need heavy tweaking which will never happen. I could never bring myself to pick Tassadar in his current state, doing something that awful to my team would be just nasty. Both Medivh and Zarya babysit and enable heroes much better than Tass. Even with AA carry they work better which should be niche for Tass. Only things Tass does better than them is slows he brings and solo lane capability, neither of which justifies actually picking him.
Tass has been dead in high level and pro games for long time now but Blizz won’t buff him because they fear another shield or double support meta coming again(read: they are incompetent).

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I like current Tassadar abilities, I just dislike the fact that he has basically only one build.

I think with the rework, shield will be gone. They said they will make him a mage, so I guess he will lose most of his support aspects.

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Current Tassadar is a trash. It is a sentry unit that dressed up like High Templar hero.

Hope that the Tassadar rework will make him a proper (or generic) assassin and usable hero. Generic assassin that work at 90% situation > a niche hero that only work at specific composition or situation.

inB4 player with high win rate for Tassadar came to disagreed with me. If that is the case, let’s me congrat you for being a part of 42% win rate instead of opposite side.

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He has W build, AA build with flex talents. But I’d like if Q build would be a thing.

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I love force wall and will be sad if it goes. But force wall is great in part because he doesn’t do much damage. If he is a mage who does a lot of damage, force wall will be too strong.

I’d rather keep him similar to what he is and just tweak some talents. I guess you could replace shield with a small heal. Then his shields won’t be overpowered with dive heroes, and he could be picked more often as a main support.

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Ah yeah, you could do lots of different builds, but if you look at composition/draft + high level of play + playing him optimally, W build is always the go to.

Why is that? Because W offers poke + waveclear, which is usually what you need when you draft a hypercarry comp. Archon is also 99% the pick because it offers more damage (which you also usually need with a hypercarry comp.) + and E reset for safety + same thing with Odin or Alex Dragon (you want to force the enemy to play into you when you use them).

You could go other builds? Yeah, but then you are probably putting your team in a disadvantage, even though they could work from time to time.

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I feel the same thing when it comes to D.Vas upcoming rework, I’m worried they are going to ruin her talent diversity with the rework which is something I don’t want to see happening.

I understand that she’s “”“trash”"" for everyone but I hope they don’t remove her bully nature playstyle which I loved, unless we get something similar to the Lunara rework then I’m all ok with it.

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What i would love tass to get :

  • Hallucination.
    I get tass is inspired heavily from the sentry but even the sentry has hallucination lol xD
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Iv been saying this for a while, be careful what you wish for! I simply do not trust Blizzards ability to rework heroes.

I felt Tass was fine and probably my favorite “support” even though he really is a specialist. I love heroes that can do a little of everything and Tass can do it all. He can wave clear, he can shield, he can build walls or go ham with archon while also escaping any bad situation, a truly versatile hero who will most likely be ruined by a rework.

Hope i’m wrong though.

I will say though if they change his kit drastically they should release his rework along with the new Sentry hero. Would be pretty cool.

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I am fed up of having tassadar take the flak because of his shields making tracer or hanzo or whatever squishy ignore that they have low hp.
This may be drastic and we may not like the result but i do think it may be what is necessary.

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He is an enabler, a full “support” but not a “healer”. With him in the group instead of a second assassin togeather with your healer, the main tank and the sololaner / bruiser it is possible to pick bruisers / assassins that have high dmg potential but usally can’t unfold it without risking being killed.

Best examples for this are Valla / Greymane as assassin, Illidan in a bruiser role. The 1st two can deal anough dmg to be a hypercarry (solo assassin), but only if they get some support besides a simple tank / healer.
Tassadar also enables “healers” that are usally not 1st choice material (in higher leagues) because they lack for example “on demand” healing - like Auriel (if a teamfight starts - she mostly lacks hope), burst heal on a target of choice that isn’t right besides the healer - like Lili. That’s why those two healers were mostly paired with Tassadar or Medivh in proplay.

And I disagree with you on the point that Tassadar can’t fill in for a ranged assassin. With Archon and psystorm build he easily can get as much poke dmg as Junkrat; he just needs a “real” assassin with him that can burst and finish off one target that has been poked down by him (like for example Greymane).

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They just need to give her some selfsustain besides blowing up her mech unneededly only to get a full health mech back … and prober heroics / a third basicability instead of mech explosion. Bunnyhop and BigShot should be combined into one heroic (chanching based on the mode she is in) and maybe the mech explosion (which is only usefull on few maps anyways) as the 2nd heroic.

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Because he’s both too niche and doesn’t fill the fantasy of a high templar, simple as that.

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And this argumentation is just … irrational. “The hero is bad because he doesn’t fit my expectations” instead of “the hero is bad because his kit doesn’t work”. Instead of “reworking” a perctly fine hero into an other one they could just impelment a new hero that is a proper “high templar”. It makes no sense.

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This isn’t LoL or DotA. Blizz heroes have a lot of history behind them, people expect and want heroes to be similar to their lore/gameplay counterparts, at least to some extent. For some, tassadar’s heroes of the storm version is clearly not similar enough. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it irrational. And it wasn’t a question of bad but rather dislike, as the OP asked.

I agree that this would be the best solution, but blizz didn’t talk about adding another HT. As far as concepts go, blizz hasn’t ever revisited one anyways so the chances of another HT being added are pretty much zero at this point.

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I can agree that a hero’s history and lore should be reflected in game play. The deciding factor for me is how the hero feels to play. I like a lot about current Tassadar but I acknowledge that he doesn’t live up to his lore as well. I just want Tass to keep what myself and others like about him. I don’t want him to no longer be the hero I enjoy now. I want Tass to gain more viability without losing what is fun about him now.