How to get butcher meat stacks?

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After losing to this mother ****er for the nth time I finally decided to play him myself. And I’m having trouble getting 200 stacks.

Minion farming is obviously super slow. 7 meat every 30 sec. Need to farm for 14min 30 sec assuming no deaths to get it (of course there’s gonna be deaths)

Heroes… Butcher is a half hero until 200 stacks. As in he’s worthless. Utterly worthless. Until he gets his stacks.

Ganks fail because the tier 1 forts are up. There is virtually no room to chase.

So he can’t kill heroes until tier1 forts are down. Tier 1 forts can’t go down until you get your stacks cause you’re gonna lose all the objectives. It’s a real catch 22.

Waiting until 10 to start teamfighting fails because you’re a suicide unit. Charging in and taking out the healer results in them taking you out. Sure your team wins the fight but you lost 15 stacks for that fight.

The literal only time I can get stacks is if either the other team makes a terrible play and gets wiped giving me free 100 stacks or my team has the right burst comp and we successfully burst down 1 hero at a time.

Played 7 games, 4 wins and 3 losses.

So… yeah. How any tips for getting stacks other than pray to god that the other team makes a stupid play?

I’m a little miffed btw. Whenever I played against butcher, my team 100% of the time gets wiped at least once for stupid reasons and feeds him full stacks. But when I play butcher the other team doesn’t get wiped for stupid reasons and I don’t get my stacks. It’s not fair.

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Basically as Butcher, you want to hang back and charge in to CC chain someone who’s 3/4 - 1/2 dead already then get out.

Rinse, lather, repeat until you’re so fed that you can basically faceroll your keyboard and kill half the enemy team.

Some enemy compositions will just shaft you though and in those games it sucks but that’s what Butcher does: feast or famine.

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Hi, my Butcher is over lvl 40 with 57%+ wr.

Butcher needs a diverse diet. Which means Meat from Heroes and Minions alike.
For Minions, don’t sit in a single lane, rotate between them to gather more.
For Heroes? There are no cookiecutter tips imo. You need to know when to engage. Allied CCs help, also sometimes better to wait for the enemy to come because you have no escape.

Also remember, that getting a kill and its meat but dying is still a positive meat-gain.

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This can often be synonymous with/coincide with your team making a good play.

:laughing: True (and nice phrasing).

I would advise cautiously on this though. Butcher going for the kill, got meat, failed to escape in time, died, lost some meat, that’s fine. But some might take it as, it’s fine to die, overextend, as long as you can trade, get meat first.

Strictly by outer appearance, Butcher would seemed to have gained meat, but considering Butcher’s lack of presence in the game, being unable to would-be soak, get minion meat during his death, I would even question if it indeed was positive meat gain. Even quite early on mind you, the travel time from base to lane along with (short) death timer.

Back to OP.

Short version. Butcher’s role tends to be solo laner. Join the first mid team fight in case your team can get a kill. Get the meat from mid minion wave, then head to your designated solo lane lane to get minion meat (normally top lane, but some map, it’s bot lane). Patience is key. Don’t try to do fancy moves to get kills, don’t die (pay attention to mini map, enemy ganks), join obj fights majority of time (that’s when your team can get kills, your meat). Even while obj fighting, you shouldn’t be actively front lining until you get your meat quest done. Wait for enemy to overextend, your tank to make fancy moves, prep set up, and use your point-and-click stun so that your range assassins can get kills.

Elaborate version. Butcher’s point-and-click stun is quite strong. It’s very telegraphed, so your team doesn’t need voice comm to land combos on. It’s very telegraphed to the enemy as well, which is why you shouldn’t recklessly charge in with E (note, you can cancel your charge by pressing E mid charge). Unfortunately, perfect timing for Charge might be quite tricky for you. It’s related to geometry or something, distance between your team, enemy team, you as Butcher, target, etc. There are moments when the target overextends, high chance for E to land a kill (from your team chain combos). This comes with experience, game knowledge. If you’re not there yet, it might take some time for you to get used to.

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Yea, dying is the worst thing and not that big of a deal at the same time.
If you constatly die in 1for1 trades, you’re a bad Butch and should try some other tactic/method.

I just mentioned it because a scared Butch is a bad Butch, but just because one is not scared that doesn’t mean they can get overconfident.

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Do not get ripped off at the supermarket; go directly to the farms and buy the FRESH MEAT straight from the manufacturer.

If your country has plenty of vegan protestors, you may even attract extra (angry) FRESH MEAT to your location for free.

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Support your local farms.

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I only pick him as a roamer with 3 other players while someone else solo lanes, I rarely farm minions. Even then, I only play him in premade stacks so I roam with the team since lvl 1 instead of farming minions.

I have completed the meat quest in 5 mins or less against incompetent enemies. Hero kills are the fastest way to finish his quest, but is very hard to do fast in solo que with random allies who wont roam and hunt for kills.

Note: Not all Murky or Viking players feed vs. him so they are not automatically an easy stack source. He shouldn’t be picked to ‘counter’ those heroes.

Also: If your team wont help you stack up by getting early game kills, you really have no option besides farming minions. He sucks in 1v1’s early game against just about every hero.

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Stick with your team. A lot easier to get kills early. Only solo if you see someone pushing their luck in lane when they’re not full health.

Though the best advice I could give you is, don’t play Butcher.

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Easy, farm the minions as a priority and just gank lanes/ invade camps when the enemies are obviously over extended. Prioritize minions always before getting quest because its a risk free, real state.

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Don’t be afraid to ping for help on ganks, like if you see an Azmo or Nazeebo pushing the solo lane (and their luck). If your team cares about winning, someone will notice your ping, and rotate down with you to help secure your kill.

If you queue with a friend, see if they play any heroes that can help you secure those ganks. It could be anything, like displacements such as Alarak’s Telekinesis that help ensure a risk-taking target can’t escape, or burst characters that have an easier time hitting stationary targets and thus appreciate your stun (such as Chromie, Li-Ming, Probius). Lucio is another example of a great friend to have, since his speed aura and boop make it real hard for someone to escape the slaughterhouse.

Also, a weird character interaction not related to getting meat, but if you charge Malthael, if he marks you and times Wraith Strike properly, he can avoid the stun. It’s actually a rather generous window from my experience. And post 13, he can go Unstoppable every 20 (30?) seconds if he takes Inevitable End. Just be aware of Unstoppables that can ruin your stun, and plan accordingly.

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Just be useless like 90% butchers players who cant even soak for meat just go yolo and die 100% winrate strategy

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Looks like you have butcher phobia. Get rid of that first.

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Dont die. watch enemy team postioning. Gank players who are alone or over extending, travel with teh group for kills. Or just farm minions and slow down. its now about how fast you finish it but actually finishing it.

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I usually hang back and eat the meat from minion waves until there is an opp to secure a kill without dying.

Then at 200 i play fairly aggressively as long as the E seems worth it…

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Maybe read his abilities. You can use them before 200. It turns out that starting the game with Judgment at level 1 is super broken.

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Super broken for bronze players. Easy countered by people who has a brain.

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Ive read his abilities, I’ve been playing this game since 2016.

If you aimlessly charge at early levels and if the enemy team has even 1 cc, a slow, a push back, taunt, zeebo wall, a stun, a blind your wet noodle 2 meat stack ain’t hurting nobody.

Even at 200 (which you should aim to get to asap), you need to be very selective on when to E. Butcher to me is all about timing the E at the most opportunistic moment.

For example I would only charge a xul after I see him use his E. Valera after her stun blind goes into cooldowns. Only hero’s I feel good charging and immediately landing lambs chain are the squishies, even then you gotta be careful cuz even Lucio goes boop and knocks you back you’re likely not killing someone.

With massive CC in the game, he becomes a very niche hero imo.

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My advice is going to be a little controversial but he’s actually one of my highest win rate heroes (+65%) so what I do seems to be working.

Basically his most powerful spell (charge) is highly telegraphed. The enemy team practically say to you, “thank you for helping me time my CC”.
However, if you play in an uncontroversial way it confuses the cr-p out of the enemy.

Obviously the juiciest meat comes from hero kills so let me help you with that.

How to contribute to early game team fights:

This is how a lot of people play. It’s sound advice, but success is mixed. The downside to this is you could be sitting in the bush for so long waiting for that moment the fight is practically 4v5.

Here’s what I do: I smack the tank. Sounds strange right? Good! This adds to the confusion. Dont charge, just casually walk in and warm up your chop, chop muscles. People be like, “What is this butcher doing?”

What are you doing? Well I’ll tell you. By smacking the tank you’re doing the following:

  • You’re actually contributing to the fight instead of sitting in a bush being useless
  • Tanks often don’t feel threatened so they are happy to be branded and just let you sit there healing (unlike a valla who vaults from you asap)
  • Nearly every healer has weak healing output in the early game. The damage you do to the tank isn’t fatal, but it’s hard to recover from. It makes the tank weak enough that they dont have the confidence to put pressure on the rest of your team allowing them to be more effective.
  • Given that you’re the butcher and you’re a high priority target, you bait a ton of damage. Your self healing recovers far more than what the enemy team can recover. The rest of your team is healthy and free to be aggressive.
  • You haven’t dived in deep so it’s easy to escape if things arent favourable
  • Your charge is still off cooldown so you can swap targets to secure kills when the moment is right

Advice no. 2: Pick Blast Furnace if the enemy has High CC.

Again, controversial. Lamb is indeed the better ult and i dont deny that. However, Lamb’s main source of damage comes from you actually doing all the smacking. If you can’t smack thanks to ridiculous amounts of enemy CC, than Lamb is as harmless as, well, a lamb. A cute one at that too.

If the enemy has lots of CC it doesnt matter, just pick Blast Furnace. You can be stunned, silenced, poly’d, whatever, it doesn’t matter. BF still deals damage.

Anyway, give that stuff a go and good luck.

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Never thought about this, but kinda make sense and ill give it a go

level 20 chain lamb is really good if you chain/silence multiple heroes, and even if you get CC’ed hopefully your teammates can smack them.

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