Hi everyone,
I experienced my last game, where we had an main Cho’gall player, who probably has two accounts and he disconnected with Gall, so the bot played for him. How good or valid is this strategy? I’ve to admit that the Gall bot was good.
https://www.heroesprofile.com/Match/Single/?blizz_id=1174623&battletag=Yusuke®ion=2&replayID=40045837
Is this legit or does it count as cheating? 
I would consider that to be an unintended use of game mechanics, but I would hesitate to call it outright cheating.
Other thoughts: one might argue that this is a legit way for someone without friends on at the time to have fun playing Cho’gall. But since this is the player’s main, it is likely that they do this a LOT – probably because it confers sufficient advantage over just asking a random player (“the Gall bot was good”). So, yeah, kind of shady. 
It is also possible to do with a virtual machine by queuing one account as Gall and the other as Cho.
Since HotS is so fast paced this is almost impossible to do with any other heroes, it helps that Gall has no body, just a bunch of abilities you can put on an overlay under Cho’s abilities.
Definitely not legit, but is it cheating? 
(mizpah used Reflect)
I would still say it is. If Cho/Gall gets banned, what’s he/she gonna do? Dodge with the second account no doubt while his main account gets untouched. I’d say that categorizes as exploit or something.
(oh yeah. assuming your theory is right, that the person is using second account to play Cho’Gall with Gall account going as bot)
Indeed, he would probably and in our game “they” just first picked Cho’gall knowing enemys would go for counters like Tychus.
It’s not a theory though, but a fact already, because you can see that Cho’gall logged out, when the match started after the draft and logged in, when the game ended.
Wow. Multiboxing in Hots, but Cho’gall with two accounts is actually easy, because bots are better than the avg player, they have good aim and Gall is the best example why it works. That’s why it’s kinda not really surprising.
I had this happen with a buddy once. The AI Gall is really strong since the AI only has to use skill shots. I’m inclined to say doing this intentionally is cheating. The AI Gall is better than a lot of players. The only downside is the AI picking talents.
Being online on both your main and your alt char in WoW was removed because boosting a low lvl char on a high lvl char was forbitten.
But is it cheating here. I dont really know. Sounds like a bug or an exploit.
I hope people provide argument why it is cheating insted of calling cheating anything they seem to find weird or unusual use of game mechanics.
Using an exploit is generally in the category of cheating. It’s even less about playing Cho’gall, a hero meant to be driven by two players, it’s more about forcing a HotS AI into it by first pretending to be a player who was gonna participate in the game.
Is it ok just because AI does decent when positioning is out of its equation? What if it did bad, will it still be ok? What if it was done in Bronze league? What if in Master+ league? If any of the answer differs, it is not ok, hence an exploit/cheating.
Not to mention the scenario I mentioned when Cho/Gall gets banned. One of the account will not get the penalty of leaving, and rest of the players wasted their que time.
Bots are generally pretty consistent and skillful (to an extent) but they lack the ability to think or take things in context. They also have a hard time reading players but for the most part shadow bolt volly, the reveal eye, and shove should be the only times that matters.
I can see a gall bot being able to hit Q and E evey time and W is not really an ability you’d aim anyway so that’d be ok. I wouldn’t trust a bot to ult at the right time every time but they should at least be consistent about then they ult. They would however, be incapable of making judgment calls on “unusual” times to ult.
For example, ulting in a 1v1, ulting in pve (something you do alot once cho gets the cooldown reduction talent at 16), or ulting just to zone.
Personally, I think it is cheating to some extent but there will be a point where the bots stupidity will catch up to its usefulness and you’ll start needing an actual player if you want to be any more effective.
Basically if the skill level of the game is low enough, the bot will preform fine but the higher you go, the more the bot will just gimp you.
How are you going to prove it is one player playing chogall unless he incriminates himself? Anything but that are mere conjectures. Are we going to ban every single gall that disconnects?
Bots are meant to be used. This is their primary purpose. You don’t get banned for pingin ana as well and she never misses her q making her better than majority of players picking her. So i’m supposed to get banned because i utilised a game mechanic?
Intentionally disconnecting is already punishable. Stop creating another offenses based on wrong interpretation of a vague rule.
That’s why in my first post I said,
if it is punishable, to be only targeted at players who are doing it for sure.
And OP replied with,
which seems very likely the case, intentional. If it happens several times on one account, we can safely say it’s one player playing Cho’gall using exploit. And no, if it is punishable, I think punishment should go to both accounts, not just Gall one.
You didn’t answer my questions though. So is it ok if the bot/AI does good/what if it was bad? Is it ok if it was done in Bronze where AI can be better than the general players in that league/what if in Master+ where AI can be worse? In the latter question, both is unacceptable really, unfair to either the opponent or Cho’gall’s team.
If you utilized/used it, I’d say you were indeed using an exploit. But whether it being punishable/ban worhty, that’s not my call/decision.
Never did. Exploit is just an exploit. You don’t need separate category/offense name for that. And if you’re saying intentional disconnect is already punishable, you’re saying this Cho’gall stuff is punishable as well.
I never said it isn’t. Im just curious why people consider using a bot to play with them as cheating. Then for some reason because it is obviously not cheating we moved into “exploit” cattegory. Still havent said what exactly about it can be considered as an exploit. Using a bot was intended by blizzard. Intentional disconnect → afk offense.
For me personally i don’t care. If someone likes it then so be it. If i profit from that im not reporting that guy. And nobody uses it in higher ranks as everyone knows AI is dumb and skilled human is better. You cant coordinate anything with AI therefore by doing it Cho puts himself at disadvantage. And nobody does that in ranked in master+. Nobody cares about QM as it is a consensus on this forum
Besides this whole conversations about “ifs” you presented is ridiculous. A you trying to implicitly say to me that it is exploit in lower ranks but in higher ranks its opposite - based on how someone benefits from that? A rule based on which you want to punish people should be general based on behavior, not skill level or rank.
And, intentional disconnect → afk offense ←→ intentional disconnect on Gall →afk offense, but pretending it’s not because Cho is in control of the movement. It’s just seems you and I have a very different meaning of ‘exploit’, yours being lax.
Exactly. Hence, my quetions, but you got my intention wrong. It more seems like you don’t really believe that, judging from,
As for how you got my intention wrong,
clearly I’m not. I’m saying it is an exploit in both lower ranks and higher ranks. Standard should be consistent. Which I am applying consistently any where. Only leeway is if it was done in AI match.
Cho player is the one doing it. They fully know what he’s getting into, their choice, their consequences to reap whether good or bad. Cho player is actually in the advantage because of it (they get to play Cho’gall, a hero the player wanted to play). Same can’t be said to others, whether the opponent or his team. They didn’t sign up for it, not their choice, not their consequence to reap whether good or bad.
Explain to me once again why it is an exploit - when i intentionally leave a game on any different hero it is not exploit then, why it in chogall case is?
An argument that the hero is “supposed to be played by two players” is simply not valid one, because we can argue that any hero is supposed to be played by someone. Whether someone plays it or not is up to him, leaving a game is already an reportable offense.
It is no different than pinging a friend who queued with me after he disconnects. The fact that it is intentional is by no means a reason to call it something else than intentional afk.
Your whole point of view/premise seems to be based on Gall hero/player. Mine is on Cho hero/player. And I say he should be the focus on this matter as it’s him, the player that is benefiting from this.
It just so happens that both Cho and Gall are done by the same person in this. Which, shouldn’t even matter if Gall was done by a separate person. Cho player is exploiting the system, Gall player is helping it.
Just in case you’re still confused, Cho player is not doing the intentional afk, which by your standard/point of view, shouldn’t get punished in this (this was pretty apparent in your previous statement though). But as I already said, both should be held accountable if this is indeed punishable (Blizz didn’t even speak out their stance on this so, we don’t know).
bots are pretty good with skill shots but they just have no common sense!