Seems like icy veins is just cone of cold into frostbite spam. I rather get storm front and try to get additional waves on the guy than spam the skill shot I suck at landing. Maybe even get Deep Chill to slow him inside the blizzard even further.
So how bad is it to play this way compared to icy veins? Storm Front + Numbing Cold rather than icy veins + Ice Lance
Mild disagree, Icy Veins is extremely good in full Q build, but Ice Barrier is also a very viable 13.
You can get insane amounts of shields with IB making Jaina way tankier than a mage ever should be. Itâs a great talent for solo q games when you are on your own with no pocket healer.
The only talent I donât really like on 13 is the most picked one, Storm Front (also lowest win rate). It doesnât directly add anything to her damage output or survivability, itâs just range increases (to W cast and radius).
As lv 73 Jaina: I pick Icy Veins for machine gun build (all Q), for any other build I pick Ice barrier.
I can outsurvive almost any assassin with those shields, even Valeera.
As a 86% WR Jaina over 50 games in diamond/low master
If you pick anything else you are insecure about your abilities. If someone dives you icyveins is the best defence.
If you think of picking anything else then icyveins you misdrafted her. So pretty bad
Yea, I often act as a âBruiserâ with that build in my QM games.
I love âbruiser buildâ Jaina, itâs so underrated.
Enemies also sometime donât know what to do when half your HP bar is shields 
Sometime even Zera will run from you
I love Ice barrier.
Only problem is if they have Varian with shield smashâŚ
[HOW BAD IS IT TO NOT GET ICY VEINS ON JAINA?]
not picking icy veins is a throw, you pick ice barrier to get survivability, but if you are getting dived, you can kill them quick with icy veins so you will have no need for the shields if the person diving you is dead. if they are chain CCing you, you dont have time to cast abilities anyways to get the shields so it is then a dead talent
They cant kill you if the enemy team is dead
ice veins its like second ult
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I know many good jaina players that dont pick it 100% of the time. I actually used her w upgrade to get to diamond the first time, and cannot play jaina well without it.
If you go for a non meta build though you have to play different from the meta. I used aa at 7 to get cdr but was playing her very aggressively. If i played her like icy veins build it would have led to no damage.
itâs super good itâs like a nanoboost, i wouldnât say itâs a MUST pick 100% of the time, but itâs certainly up there for 96% of the time, the shield can be a real life saver vs an all dive comp, so it comes down to would you rather have a Zarya shield or a nanoboost? and i think the answer is obvious most of the time
If you playing Jaina, you either go Icy Vein to blow up with CCâor better yet, go with the shielding on 13 so that you donât insta die when dived.
Iâve been thinking about getting the shield talent if I got an Ana with Nanoboost as the CDR doesnât stack. That way I get to play stupid with near infinite shields and focus only on damage.
But otherwise Icy veins is my preference.
Icy veins is mandatory to fulfill your job. Shield is for if you got hard countered and your team is clueless, so youâre forced to pick it to survive. But if that is the case you should not have picked Jaina.
Storm Front is complete trash, just makes you a worse Chromie.
Alright alright I get it. Icy Veins and spam Q and donât miss.
Her Icy Veins combo with 100% root upkeep is pretty insane.
Its not really âburstâ though. 5seconds is too long to call it a âburstâ imo.
Anyways, thanks for the input everyone. I decided to not play Jaina. I really donât like HOTSâs quick cast of jainaâs skill shot. The projectile doesnt go where my mouse pointer is. Itâs above it or some other skewed place so I just canât land the skill shots.
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No? Sustain damage occurs over the duration of the team fight. If you kill someone (or more than one) person in a teamfight in 5 seconds, you win the teamfight. Thatâs def burst.
Whatâs considered burst is up to the individual. I consider burst as in a mageâs combo. It happens within 1-2 seconds