I’d really like to bring this to player’s attention. This is a Division S game. Lauber’s Fanclub vs The Vikings.
Keep in mind, this is Tassadar BEFORE the buffs from last patch
1. He is solo assassin. 2. He is solo assassin in a team without a tank. 3. His team purposely took 4 vs 5 fights. They knew very well they were down a man, but they took them anyway, and they won these fights. 4. In the course of the entire game, they lost one fort. The enemy team had no structures left before Lauber’s FC pushed for core.
Seeing what they did with him before buffs ( which I felt were done way too fast, we only had him about a week?) I’m kind of scared of what Tass can do now in a team.
Many heroes can win 2v5 fights. It just depends on how badly the enemy team plays. For example if they all cluster together and get mosh pitted then an ETC and Kael alone can kill 5 heroes easily.
Tassadar is one of these hyper carry damage dealers.
What you mean without a tank, they have the perfect comp for Xul main tank (medivh).
Yeah but, they got Xul + Medivh + Malthael, and all of those heroes deal incredible amount of damage.
No, the buffs came with the 3 week post release/rework balance patch.
Also gotta remember that div S is just another level of play, just like HGC was compared to ranked. They pull a Xul main tank very well, while this is very hard to do in ranked, even if you are in voice chat with friends.
Xul is not a tank. I don’t care what anyone says. You need planetary alignment to make it work.
He is still solo assassin. And he wasn’t the main target of Medhiv’s shields (It’s funny, last time I mentioned Medhiv, people were arguing that he dealt very low damage.)
It was only ever done in Infernal shrines (And only by one team) But I don’t remember anyone using a mage as solo assassin. Or looking for trouble at 4 vs 5 and winning. Though I haven’t seen every game.
No it is not common.
How many games can you find with Tank Xul?
Why would I need to mention anything? You don’t need to take my word for it, the video is right there. What “Other factors” did you see? (Also, you may want to look up Sonya if you think no hero can do this.)
I didn’t mention you need exactly AA build to make Tassadar work as solo dmg.
For example, his Q build can work, because CDR at 7. When you can get 250 bonus dmg from Q quest, % dmg OR more CDR at 16 with spell power, you can be pretty dangerous.
I still prefer W build. But you can’t solo dmg with it.
I actually haven’t looked at Rutzou’s build yet. All I remember is that he picked “Khala’s gift” Lvl 20. Which I believe is considered the default pick in most cases.
(Looks up)
Ok got it:
Psi infusion Lvl 1.
Electric Fence 4
Psionic Echo 7
Black Hole 10
Shadow Walk 13
Psychic Shock 16
Khala’s Gift 20
Anything is a tank with the right comp though. Just because something isn’t labeled as “tank” in the role, doesn’t mean you can’t play it as a main tank. They don’t have a “tank”, but they have a “main tank”, you know?
It’s the same as above, sure he is the only assassin if you look for the roles blizzard made, but he isn’t the only damage dealer. There are 4 high damage dealers in that comp.
Also yeah, Medivh does a lot of damage, you just need to land your Qs for cdr/mana refund.
It happened. That is normal in medivh comps depending on the map. You could also do the same with Zarya instead of medivh. It really just depends on the map (and also the comp, because you need to draft high damage dealers on your bruiser for example). Shrines are better for mages, but tomb is also good. Volskaya as well.
The 4 v 5 can happen. It happened a lot in HGC and all those tournaments. But those players are good at knowing when they can engage, how, and if they can win down a person. It is just a whole other level.
When a team is using any non-tank as a substitute Tank, I consider that they are playing without an actual tank. (Which, factually, is true). They are not necessarily less efficient. They just aren’t actually tanks.
I’m aware that non-assassin heroes can deal damage. However it is still a solo assassin comp.
I don’t think Zarya is nearly as efficient. She also has less play-making and is more vulnerable and easier to kill.
Tanking is what you do, not what you are. I have main tanked on Murky in ARAMs, so your comment comes across as strange as saying a team who puts an Arthas in the off-lane is playing without a bruiser. One of the reasons I enjoy HotS so much is just how flexible a lot of the heroes can be, and how comps can skew the definitions of the traditional roles.
Rather than focusing on roles and semantics, it is more interesting to point out how they used him and just how powerful Force Wall is as a base ability. It wasn’t so much his power as an assassin, but how well they coordinated their team play.
(And for reference, Murky worked as a main tank because they were almost all DoT classes, like Nazeebo, so I would run in, soak up all the DoTs, then bubble them off while my assassins killed them.)
Such basic stuff should be implemented as a pop-up/reminder or simple tip on loading screen and applied to all roles. Few months ago people picked Uther for his OP heals, right. Its so infuriating when people whine whenever you try something out of the box… Cuz we need < role >.
Whether you like it or not there was a “planetary alignment” at play there with regard to Xul “tank”. Meaning the opposing team did not play with as bad of a comp as you’re implying with your opening post, they did have adequate protection with their front line especially with Xul. I mean Xul did accomplish the basic things you’d expect from a tank namely: controlling space, engaging, disruption, and creating kill opportunities (certainly wasn’t Malth who they melted each time). That said it was such a complete stomp with everyone aside Malth having zero deaths from their side due to the level of coordination they had.
And frankly watching that I saw the big plays coming from Xul who just took so much punishment and handled the enemy team so well, rather than Tassadar carrying it, with how aggressively Xul played especially with that lategame timestamp. Although it was also a lot of good plays by Medivh and Malfurion there, they were really solid through out. So I don’t think you’d need to worry too much about Tassadar being over the top just from that match, and if anything the video is more a showcase of how solid Xul is (easily the MVP).
Proof?
Again how many games of Xul Tank can you find that wasn’t just the few games that team Octalysis did?
Maybe you need to expose yourself more. Because the truth is that everyone keep repeating that “Xul was used as a Tank, it’s a thing” because they heard someone else say it. Not realizing that it was done by only one team and only a few times.
I’m sorry to say that in this case. You don’t know what you’re talking about. I asked you how many games he had been used as tank. You cannot answer because you don’t know.
Excuse me, can you quote the part where I say the enemy comp is bad?