Hanzo's lvl 1 talents

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Could we, PLEASE, change the Dragon Arrow talent so that it’s either 3 hits on every enemy hero (15 hits) or 25 hits total?

Playing Hanzo vs Abathur is extremely one-sided AT ALL RANKS (around 39% winrate vs Abathur). You could be a master Hanzo, playing vs Bronze abathur. His mere presence is a counter and you are at a disadvantage. Now if the enemy also has Illidan, Falstad, or Genji… it’s pretty much over.

Can’t go Dragon arrow because you can’t complete the quest. Can’t go AA because Abathur enables divers that will kill you with ease. Can only go Scatter arrow, but Scatter can be very bad in some maps.

Vikings can also be a hard, but not nearly as one-sided.

In QM, it’s always a nightmare because Abathur is in like every other game. In Ranked, it’s also bad because it “wastes” a ban for a rarely picked hero.

I mean, I understand some heroes will counter others, but a hero shouldn’t completely invalidate another one.

Once that mega-hard counter is addressed, we could talk about maybe buffing Aba very slightly to compensate no longer hard countering Hanzo.

So, benefits of changing Hanzo’s dragon arrow quest:

  • He can be more consistent without actually making him easier to play.
  • He will have actual talent options when playing vs Abathur or Vikings.
  • It’s still easier to do the quest the old way; Hanzo will simply have a late-game failsafe vs some teams.
  • Abathur would actually be any weaker.

Drawbacks: ???

EDITS: I’m seeing much talkback in the realm of “L2P” but (1) I’m diamond, I’m pretty sure that means I play better than average, and (2) what are the actual drawbacks of improving a hero’s talent diversity?

It’s improving talent diversity not the whole point of balance changes?

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His q quest is too easy to get but oh well

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Wrong hanzo post lol

This one I wanted to reply to as well

If you face an aba and hanzo picks the Q quest. It is him to blame.
If you focus everything into one play style and never learn AA which is the korean meta or W which is also good. Then its the hanzo to blame for his poor talent choise

Its like picking the killquest on ZJ when they have a aba. You just dont

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That’s the thing, Q quest is almost impossible to complete vs Abathur. And Q build is the most reliable. The others are great in certain conditions, but generally bad builds, they are niche.

No the point. You can be good at AA build, but won’t do anything with it vs divers. Abathur enables divers, making the AA irrelevant as well.

AA build is good vs bruisers. The enemy team won’t always have bruisers, so you can’t just play AA as your only (or main) build, especially in QM. AA build is also horrible in some maps.

PS: I’m diamond, not gold.

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Heres a pro strat If you want to take it against abathur.
Dont take the talent and run behind all the lanes looking for aba. If you see him, quickly take the talent and Q him.
The bonus range is arguably the most important part of the talent sense the 100 damage dosent scale so your not missing out on to much.

This way, you can decide against it at any time.

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Are you saying that because W build is only picked in 47% of games in master last 3 patches and in CCL it only had popularity of 82%? No, it does not need to be changed. It’s part of the uniqueness of the quest. He has 3 viable talents there which is rare. Adapt your playstyle, ban Aba or simply don’t play the hero.

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Um, no, all of his build are on the same lvl. I can even say his W build is better than Q.

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Q quest is difficult when opponent solo and mage have proper position.
I don’t like playing this quest and playing against.

Hanzo is extremely weak from divers.
His winrate will not be changed if Q quest is fixed.

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If your getting dived by a aba comp then the aba team drafted well. You can still stun him and hope your team isnt useless.
Most divers have mid health so your fine most of the times. Especially in diamond
Your team actually works together

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I have a bit of a funny input on this.
I don’t particularly mind misclicks, but sometimes people play heroes to fit the composition or something, simply following the meta build.
I specifically remember one game, where I realized soon after picking the hearted talent, that I won’t ever complete it, so I just don’t have a level 1.

Now, if you could change the talent (just like you can sell your items in DotA), it wouldn’t matter as much.

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Those would generally be maps where you don’t want Hanzo though. Or are you talking about QM exclusively?

The only prolem talent against Abathur is “Target Practice”

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I really don’t see what the problem is. Abathur is a counter to one talent. Whoop-di-doo. It’s hardly unique for Heroes to have counters, and this isn’t even countering a Hero, it’s just one talent.

What does his ult have to do with his lvl 1 quest? It’s not like you need one for the other.

If you’re completely invalidated just because you can’t complete Q quest, you probably should play a different Hero in the first place. I’m sorry, but this really sounds like a player problem, not a Hero issue. Learn to adapt. Learn other builds. Every Hero has weaknesses and counters, figuring out how to cope with yours is part of the game.

How does Q quest make a difference about that? If you’re getting dived and killed, that 100Qdmg really isn’t going to save you. I get that hat dives are scary (and probably will kill you), but that’s the danger of playing a super squishy like Hanzo.

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How about removing scatter and adding the arrow spray ability like Hanzo has in OW atm? Scatter can be so inconsistent at times against certain setups.

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why are you picking Q quest against Abathur.

Actually, why are you picking Q quest.

If you can’t get mileage out of W, don’t play Hanzo, pretty damn simple.

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SHHHH… No one tell them about Hanzo’s E

Hanzo’s Dragon Arrow quest is perfect against Abathur as is.

When I see an enemy Hanzo select it against an Abathur it saves me from worrying about a them because they have absolutely no clue how to handle the slug.

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maybe JUTS MAYBE dont pick it when the enemy team has an abathur?

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No, he’s a counter to three talents. A HARD counter to one talent. Soft counters two talents. If either of the two soft countered talents are bad against the rest of the enemy team, all Hanzo’s talents are effectively countered.

THAT’s the issue.

Yes, extra dmg does make a massive difference vs divers because they are less likely to stay in if they can get bursted. But the biggest difference is the extra range, to make it harder to get in in the first place.

Do you people not read? The problem is that you CAN’T pick it.

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So? You shouldn’t be picking that talent anyways.

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So, you agree the talent should get buffed?

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Aba is not a counter to all 3 lvl 1s just the Q.
W build is his best build, but sure, let’s say you can’t always pick it (has nothing to do with Aba).
But his AA talent is actually the best against divers, since you prob need to AA them anyway, cuz they got into melee and a faster AA speed is useful.

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