Whats the current state of our old guard specialists? Zagara and gazlowe seem to be the only split pushers left. Thoughts?
split pushing is not found in the hero but in the soul of the player.
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Azmodan, Nazeebo, Xul, and Sylvanas are still pretty effective at pushing…
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Probius should be added to that list. Makes kibble of minion waves and structures in seconds if left to it.
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Malthael with On a Pale Horse is one of the top split pushers.
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No, Malthael is good at double soaking lanes, not pushing - pushing you don’t necessarily need to have great wave clear, but you do need to be good at taking down buildings and shoving lanes.
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I disagree in that he can also take camps easily, and use those to bring the structures down. Pushing doesn’t mean your hero has to be the one to actually break stuff.
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Azmo, Zag and Naz are still excellent pushers. Especially once with Heroics.
And I agree with FoxBlade that Malthael is not a good pusher.
Double Soakers usually aren’t that good in the pushing itself.
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By that definition, there are lots of heroes that could be considered split pushers; Jaina, Kael’thas, Sonya, Illidan, etc.
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I guess I see it more as “what do we stand to lose by not killing this hero now”. With Kael’thas and Jaina, they do not have the speed to rotate between lanes and camps, and will lose soak meaning the camps they do take will have less overall effect on the lane. Murky with bribe will destroy everything, so some poor soul is usually tasked with babysitting the fish when he is on a large map, so I do consider him a split pusher, even though his structure damage isn’t as strong as an Amateur Opponent Artanis.
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Still sad over tower ammo loss. What that has created in HotS is a stale meta where I rarely see any pushers in drafts anymore.
Even when I do see them, it’s always an Azmo or Nazeebo being played like a mage (and I don’t blame them, they deal really high hero damage especially in late game).
I can’t even remember the last time I saw a split pushing nydus network Zagara or Xul.
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the problem is that people dont really like playing against splitpushers or with them. theyre most effective when ignored when means that best case scenerio the 4 man has to stall objective and throw it. worst case scenerio they get ganked/killed leaving the 4 man up against 5. either way 4 players on hte team have to suffer for the other one. on the opposing team it means at least 1 person has to not play objective and just waveclear which is just not fun for them to spend the entire game doing. I say this as an azmo/sylvanas/naz main back when they were the best split pushers vs tower ammo. it was fun for me but less so my teammates
I’m sad because it made the solo-lane incredibly boring & 1 dimensional.
I miss old Zag.