Every hero is strong in their own rights. No hero is useless. Every hero can be good if the person playing them is good.
People who dismiss heroes they don’t even play as worthless just because of meta are the ultimate lemmings…
Nova, li li, probius, gazlowe, Vikings… It doesn’t matter. Your hero is viable. And you can play them if you want to… Anyone who says otherwise isn’t worth your time… Even in ranked all these heroes can be immensely powerful when drafted properly or by a sufficiently skilled player.
See, that’s the hard part of the formula. Yes you can win if you’re really good at Probius, but I cannot trust Joe Schmoe to be a master level Probius when an entry level Li-Ming will do just fine.
This right here, your typical “It’s my game I’ll play what I want” mentality.
Sounds to me like you picked a trash hero, or a hero your group didn’t need, got stomped by the other team, which in turn got you flamed by your own team and your personal stats showed exactly why said stomp occurred. Then you vigorously tried defending said bad pick.
If they are willing to put in that effort, so be it. I see value in not relying on op heroes for free wins… I dropped Valeera for a while after the rework because she was braindead and everyone was playing her.
There’s a certain magic in the willpower of off meta players. In my opinion, they have some special talents no meta player could understand
Okay, and that right there says all that we need to know. Yes, meta players completely understand the “talent.” That’s why they are called meta heroes, because these heroes have been tried and proved by the top players of the game. Trust me, they understand more than some silver league player with the “I play what I want” mentality.
Quick match is whatever, and comes down to whatever bs comp the terrible Blizz matchmaking system decides to dump in there. That’s what it’s there for, to play whatever. But you check out any MOBA out there that in on a global scene, and you will see a trend in heroes played, and those that are not played. And yes, there is a reason why said heroes are not played. And yes, they “understand” quite well.
At any rate, we’ve all seen these joke threads before, and I’ve already said way too much. It’s just something that a “I do what I want” type player can’t comprehend, so why bother.
I agree. There is a certain magic in playing unconventionally.
Different =/= bad. A lot of times in fighting games meta rotates simply because people learn new things about their characters. I understand that HoTS heroes don’t do that many things, but playing the game the way you want is part of the fun. Who knows, you might discover something new!
Picking an inefficient character is the drafting equivalent of overextending to b-step. It’s impressive if you pull it off, but it makes you look like a moron if you die (or in this case, lose). If you don’t have the gumption to back it up, you’re literally ruining the game for four other people to sate your ego.
I have no faith that when my teammate picks a low winrate hero they’re actually doing what’s best for the team and not just being showy. Drafting is a skill unto itself, and understanding that you have to make sacrifices on who you play is a part of that.
I think hes right here, play what you want. I’m at masters and I constantly first pick Valeera and I’m rolling with 214 wins, 114 losses. A 65.2% win rate and Valeera is 173 of those games with a 73.4% win rate. That’s not to say throw in draft by not picking a healer if your team doesn’t have one and your last pick unless the whole team agrees or picking a bad hero for the map.
Flame starts when people picking weak heroes instead of team requests (tank / healer). Also flame starts when people pick murky / vikings / valeera in Brawls. I do agree, Murky can become incredibly strong late game and even win 1 vs 2 fights, but early game you force team playing 4 vs 5 and there is high risk of not holding untill late at all.
Sadly, in days when i was still playing ranked, people were reporting me upon seeing nova pick. They banned nova from picks, they flamed, they were going afk just cus i picked nova, even tho she is my main hero. I did experiment once by not talking at all, guess what — after 2 weeks of consistent nova play i got banned. It was during her rework. Even tho often i was top dmg / top kills / no death, taking camps, pushing and ganking… But noone cares, nova is like cancer for many players.
Haliy, you’re correct, there is no such thing as a bad hero. In draft though, there is such thing as a bad hero choice, no matter how expert you are at it. First picking a Nova, Illidan or Butcher is never wise and puts your team at a disadvantage and you better hope your skill with that hero far outweighs the enemy team.
This is a good example. I’ve been in games with GM’s and Master Illidan players who picked him first or with a team that had no synergy. They were amazing players, but not amazing enough to overcome the counters drafted against them.
You are right, Hail. Niche heroes are still good. But Minky is right on one thing.
Niche heroes are good as second or last pick, but they are never good as first pick material. If I first picked Tassadar, I would never have my 60-61% winrate on him overall.
I love to play with niche heroes, but even I feel terrible if someone instant first pick Butcher/Illidan/other niche hero, because enemy team can pick as many heroes as possible, what can get value from having niche heroes by your team.
If you’re good at the hero, it would be stupid not to pick what you’re good at. Making a sacrifice only makes sense if it actually improves your chances of winning.
It makes more sense to look at a person’s personal win rate rather than your own perceptions of what a hero’s win rate might be, which is pretty meaningless.
Also, is it just me, but I’m pretty sure I’ve gotten more wins from first pick Novas then I have losses in the games that happens. If someone has the balls to do that, I’m inclined to have faith than not.
Then again, I think I also win a lot more against first pick Novas, but that’s probably because I love Tassadar.
Speaking of which, nothing wrong with a Tassadar first pick, unless they go Varian. He’s actually a pretty versatile hero.
