For example Shan’ do’s Clarity, a level 1 Malfurion’s talent says:
“Innervate’s cooldown recharges 25% faster per ally affected by Regrowth”
Does “ally” also includes yourself?
It is very dependent on the precise wording. Some abilities that include ally, specifically exclude your own hero.
(Note that both of these effect Lucio despite the latter not specifying so in the text).
It also varies on a hero by hero basis.
Some descriptions are very exclusionary and make it clear it doesn’t work if the only ally is you.
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It does not.
Allies means it can work on minions or summons, and allies heroes means only other heroes.
As shown above - it highly depends on the hero. For example Lucio gains 5% movement speed just from picking All Together - even though he is not specified as a potential target like in Sound Barrier.
Ally also generally only means Heroes - All Together does not boost movement speed from allied Minions.
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50 / 50 cause Yrel’s lvl 4 says the following but it works on herself too if you use it on yourself. i think it depends mostly on the ability not all of them work on self + allies if they say ally
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yeah this is one of those words that doesn’t have a precise meaning in HotS, unfortunately.
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The Yrel one is late adoption weirdness/laziness. On launch, it couldn’t target herself. They changed that at some point in 2019 but didn’t change the wording.
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i believe they need to change the wording in these talents that work on both allies + self cause if it’s saying “ally” people will think it’s only for their allies and not try to use them on themselves.
Well, at very least for Shan’do’s clarity in particular it counts all regrowth, including the one on malfurion.
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ally1
/ˈalʌɪ/
noun
plural noun: allies
- a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose.
In general you’re right, but that specifies allies affected by Crossfade. Since only heroes can be affected by Crossfade, the part where they are allied heroes is implied.
True, but even with Crossfade they fell into the vague wording trap.
Only later in his description (of the two sound tracks) it specifies this means allied Heroes. I think they should be more consistent knowing how the small wording differences can completely change the function of an ability or talent.
Raynor is a good example of a clearly worded hero. It specifically states who Inspire will effect baseline (allied Minions and Mercs).
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Nice that you still are pulling that line out of context. As this only describes that you are cooperating with someone else. But it doesnt describe whether you are an ally, or if only the other is.
The better description is from an example description like:
a person, group, or nation that is associated with another or others for some common cause or purpose: Canada and the United States were allies in World War II.
You can replace Canada and united states in this example by You and Me. Which then would alter it to
You and me are allies
But that still doesnt explain whether you are also an ally to yourself. Although this language wise is technicaly still possible, the issue is more psychological, or philosophical.