Developers no longer like forums

Hots Twitter is as dead as EU forum. Last post was made 20 feb.

They could but they wont. Every account no matter how new or old they are are allowed to post on all Blizzards game forums just like people are allowed to make smurfs ingame.

But its funny you actually need to be account lvl 5 ingame to /w people.

Bad moderation and too many trolls burn people out and makes them leave. You and me have seen how the forum can end up when a troll start a war and destroys multiple threads.

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Blue posts have a tendency to derail threads. If a conversation is good, Blizzard will keep a close eye on it only responding when absolutely necessary. People are attracted to different colored text, which is why despite its good intentions, the MVP program was a colossal failure.

It’s better if they just lurk for the most part. I know it can feel as though they’re not listening, but they get better feedback when they stay out of topics.

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Planar said they still read the forums, I’m inclined to believe he knows what he’s talking about. Considering a Dev can’t even post a farewell post without it being filled with hate, I think you’re correct that’s it’s best to lurk.

Having said that, it depends on the thread. I know from experience on the old forums, the hero rework threads the Devs participated in were very productive and civil.

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Becasue one forum user had to blow it up and tell us he never interacted with us and only did the farewell post to get attention. Last post AJ did before his farewell post was 8 months before the post were made.

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Since Ghostcrawler or whatever his name was left the company, have Blizzard developers been better or worse in adapting? It’s no secret across its range of games Blizzard has seen a decline.

Well, I guess it’s no longer a secret that Planar is a member of the QA. I figured he was an employee of some sort, in fact, I have my suspicions about several posters who have more information than they should.

However, I know from my experience in the MVP program more or less what their feedback gathering tactics are. I was asked to help in gathering constructive feedback to relay to the dev team on the D3 side quite frequently.

While I disagree with resorting to echo chambers like reddit as a primary means of communication, they do read the official forums just don’t interact with them as often because the chronological nature of official threads makes the discussion unstable. It’s better if they just actively listen.

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They’re always for reason. When I mention earlier about the matchmaking whines, you were a BIG reason why the old general forums were so polluted with inane posts. What was especially troubling with your posts is how they gave fuel to a subsection of the community that felt they were wronged, but they were never substantiated based on legitimate evidence, only your “feelings” of how unfair something was based on your most recent games. There were a few constructive grievances, most of yours certainly were just paranoid rantings guised in the form of concern and the occasional numbers that were analyzed incorrectly.

I’ve never needed to physically ignore anyone and why I find it’s even more funny JeanFrancois thinks I’m a mass reporter. It’d be humorous if it weren’t so sad. Having to log in and out of several accounts, trying to slightly argue with yourself to make you seem like a different person, then pile on another person for daring not to agree with some weird convoluted renting currency.

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The game community does not consist of overwhelmingly awful people.

Even awful people do not consist of overwhelmingly awful people.

You exist in a game system designed to cause stress, and when stress occurs people release that stress. People are not rational nor are they intelligent when doing so. They are emotional.

This is the truth of the matter, it’s part of the reason why the disciplinary systems are not nearly as effective as they should be.

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You answered your own question there. I’ve only had to ignore them, nobody else, as it’s just not in any respect productive to reply as they’re here in bad faith.

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The problem is after the Tseric meltdown, blue posters are held back by many many layers of red tape. The approval process for posting on the forums with an official account is insane.

Old developers and CM’s like Ghostcrawler and Drysc/Bashiok were really good at shutting down trolls with their anti-trolling trolling (I know it sounds hypocritical but it works) and employees now are behind so many layers of red tape that most of the time they can’t respond in an official capacity even if they wanted to.

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Lol, this sounds insanely juicy. What happened?

What’s humorous and sad is that I was clearly referring to Minky resorting to reporting and making grave protests. lol

I love it! :rofl:

The “bad faith” nonsense aside, here’s someone else with a bad memory. I was supposed to have been one of a few graced with being put on her ignore list. The weird thing was that later she was replying to me. ¯\(ツ)/¯ I enjoy forum fun.

He basically had a public meltdown after being trolled. Though, the “Skinning a Tseric should aggro all Tserics” comment still makes me chuckle.

Here’s all of the Tseric posts.

Either way, this is the reason for the red tape.

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I guess moderator/CM position has its requirements. If it doesn’t offer good payment, that doesn’t mean it’s easy to do. Some people aren’t fit for any job.

I think this just makes my point with respect to pervasive immaturity in gaming. People can’t even do drama right. That’s about as mild of a “meltdown” as I’ve ever seen.

I can’t help but be fascinated by people up the Blizzard chain, forget mere developers. This guy got fired and now there’s a lot of red tape to prevent another such “meltdown”? Maybe there’s a reason why I never really understood these communities.

In many respects, Tseric’s responses were brutal, but spot on. The posts I linked weren’t the actual meltdown, though, just the start of it. The actual meltdown started in another thread after the “Skinning a Tseric should aggro all Tserics. You killed their friend afterall.”

Either way, because of that incident is why we don’t see many candid developer/CM responses. Plus the abhorrent behavior by OrangeJuice and several other posters in AJ’s farewell thread is proof enough that official responses, no matter what they are, will attract trolling.

Either way, most of us still here know this game is essentially dead and that complaints will fall on deaf ears, but to our benefit there are so many topics that can be discussed that don’t involve the game being actively maintained which is why this community is so much more than just that.

This really is the best community that Blizzard has.

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From what I skimmed nothing brutal was written. I also disagree with the stuff in the developer farewell thread being “abhorrent”. Not very classy.

shame the colored-post highlighting died back in the mvp thread :thinking:

I think the bit about adding in new content for free is a bit of a misnomer. Stuff is largely locked behind loot boxes to begin with. The devs add content because it’s their job, their bosses pay them to create content because they think it’ll in some way earn them money, directly or indirectly. No insult intended to them here, either. That’s just the function of being a business.

I agree that the working conditions in modern Blizz are probably horrible, I think it’s safe to assume that just about all of their efforts now go entirely unappreciated by the company. (The bit about the hours being especially true, even in Old Blizzard. Making games like they do is a ton of work for sure.)

On the customer’s end though, the thanks comes not from the thousands of upset customers. It comes from the thousands more playing the game and enjoying it, often quietly. It may not be expressed in words, but it’s implied from their love of the game.

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I think it’s less about constructive comments and more about the fact people on official forums tend to be more blunt than people on Reddit. Reddit’s upvote/downvote system strongly encourages people to “fall in line” with whatever opinions are popular and discourages people from saying something unpopular (the volatile nature of which means that sometimes important criticism gets signal boosted while other times, it gets dumpstered into oblivion). On forums, these systems tend to either not exist or are very minimal and thus the people commenting are more free to share their relatively unfettered opinion. Devs, especially Blizzard developers, tend to be EXTREMELY egotistical to the point that there was an incident where Jeff Kaplan went on a rant and banned some dude on the OW forums because they implied that the balance team wasn’t good at their job and maybe some people should be shuffled off or something (which was actually a more reasonable take than you’d think since this was around the time where a lot of balance patches in a row were horrific).

This, to be fair, is Blizzard’s own doing. Often Blizz devs ignore players outright, try to pull the “you guys don’t know anything about what you want, we, the devs, know EVERYTHING!”, take a long time to actually listen to players or wind up listening to scrub players who really DON’T know anything. How many times have we got changes to HOTS that a lot of good players said would be trash, it turned out to be trash and it took the devs months to reverse/fix it? How about the WOW devs practically laughing in the face of people at Blizzcon who asked about the creation of WoW Classic, only for that to become an official thing several years later anyway?

This can be quickly fixed by limiting new-topic creation to people with 100 posts or something.

The upvote/downvote heavy nature of Reddit really skews discussions a lot of the time in favor of what’s popular in that particular subreddit on that particular day. The character limit of twitter and sea of reactionary babies that inhabit it make serious discussion on twitter extremely difficult.

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