You guys are basically shrugging it off because you can think of ways around it, guess what, heat of teamfights, youll make mistakes and misjudge. That one heroic will swing the whole game for you. getting this fixed before. I thin the way itll play out is if you dont have a way to stop DC, youll see it every game. Hope you guys find love for blaze.
Spell armor.
Sustained Healing.
Abolish Magic.
Shields.
Invulnerablility.
Iceblock?
And as you said Bunker.
In short I think everyone will be fine, I think DC will end up like release Last Rite for Malthael.
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Ana is going to be a hilarious counter to it.
Just throw the grenade at Mal’ganis after he uses it, and you basically nulify most of the ultimate. Then just throw a few healing darts at whoever he targeted.
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Isn’t being able to find ways around that in the heat of the moment during teamfights kind of what most of the game is about anyway? Sure you might need some time to adjust on release, but barring mistakes, is that what separates some of the higher levels of play?
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I wouldnt use my ulti until I saw it and know its on CD.
It will be a insane way to counter a tank. I think that counts as tank busting.
Assuming someone doesn’t interfere with it, Probably.
Since its a DoT, its quite predictable and can easily be blocked by a Medivh shield, or a well timed burst heal.
Then you also need to take into account Mal’ganis needing to be low enough to pull it off well. So CC’ing him when he reaches 20% hp and bursting him down then is an option.
And people who screw up deserve to lose.
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Varian, aka the counter for nearly everything…![:joy:](https://d3rakab8gpdsa3.cloudfront.net/en/heroes/images/emoji/twitter/joy.png?v=6" ":joy:")
He can reduce heals AND protect to further reduce the damage taking if needed.
If mediv shields the dot does mal still get the heal?
He gets the full heal regardless of the target blocking/reducing/healing the damage.
Treat it like you have been hit with pack lv20 vile plague toads. You can still of course reduce/prevent the healing with talents that reduce healing so it has a ton of counter play.
Dude if you look a bit at other heroes, as far as “very open to counters but works wonders when the enemy fails to” skills go, DC is actually in the most forgiving end of the spectrum… i mean… you think thats bad, wait until you see what often happens when the guy with interrupts fails to stop a big mosh pit
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It’s words of wisdom - You should learn from it. Although it’s the first time I’ve ever heard someone use “elitist” in a MOBA. I believe you should head back to the WoW forums.
DC currently has a 31% pickrate. This has fallen from a 48% pickrate from the earlier days. It keeps falling because DC is very easy to counter and very risky to pull off.
People have realized that Carrion Swarm is much safer and more reliable.
I would like to say that just earlier today I had a game as solo tank Arthas vs a DC Mal’ganis and each time he tried to use it he was already so low that he didn’t get any heal from it. The one time it actually went through on me I already had Army of the Dead out and it was very easy to selfheal. Mal’ganis himself also died before he got any healing from it.
You’re overreacting much like people did to Last Rites when Malthael was released. You have to work around the ability because if anything Mal’ganis heroics has the most counterplay in his entire kit.
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Last rites, pyroblast, temporal loop, half the game’s DPS ulti’s, Varian- these are all far more threatening abilities than DC, largely because it’s mostly the same counters, except you can also just walk away from DC and not end up dead.
Oh sure, he’ll get his health back. But it ends up being an ability you have to time perfectly- whereas most of those other abilities you really don’t. If he does it too early, he doesn’t get much out of it. If he does it too late, he dies.
Consider this too- a healer is going to be very much aware of this, and dps are going to be cautious about this. You can counter his level 20 by just spreading out. The main target is almost always going to be the tank… who also tends to have the best defensives.
In some cases this will be a great ability- if you could get it off (without getting one shot) on Cho’gall for example, or an avatar Mura or full stacks Diablo- or a heavily stacked Rex or Naz; you can do some serious tank shredding.
But there’s a lot of abilities that can be fantastic in many situations. Thing is- this is one of those abilities that takes a pro to use well, but also most pros know how to counter it. Should be interesting to see how its used in HGC.
Carrion swarm seems like it’ll be, in most situations, the better talent though, since it gives a bit of everything and is very reliable.
I’m pretty sure we’ve gone burned through how many different threads and post by this guy about Dark Conversion and the denial of this guy is real. And with data out for almost a week there is nothing theoretical or anecdotal about the assessment of Dark Conversion being lack luster.
New mechanic, people are gonna take some time to learn how it works.
It’ll get nerfed anyway because it’s an “unfun” ability.
Tbh, im gonna be VERY surprised if DC ever make it to the hgc…
Counterplay aside, from my perspective, the thing have an even bigger problem that simply murders its viability: Even if the enemy is not paying attention, it still demands an overly unlikely scenario to really shine, namely: It requires the enemy to deal heavy damage to you AND you need a pretty healthy target in range when that happens
Its 2 steps that happens often, but they just dont overlap much, way more often than not, when you have a healthy target in range, you also are on green hp and when you are low enough, chances are, the only good targets are backliners out of reach(not to mention, malg dont exactly have top tier burst protection on demand so even if the stars align, he still needs to watch out to not get bursted). And if you look at it, even on lower leagues the WR of dark conversion is laggin WAY behind carrion. Should i bellieve that the sub-gold players are countering the skill correctly? Its just more reasonable to think that the skill requires way too much on an unlikely scenario to get value, even when people are not that good at countering it, it often just there is nothing to counter MAYBE in chogall games
It’s not even better than the other ult, you know the invincible Locust Swarm. Dark Conversion is easily minimized with burst and ice blocks. Carrion Swarm on the other hand is going to get huge nerfs.
requirements to make DC work.
malganis roughly 30% hp or lower
Nearby enemy at roughly 80% or higher
Things that stop DC
stuns when malganis is low
flat out walking away from him if he has DC and your at high hp while he is low
Silence
Stealth
Ways to stop the healing:
Antiheal (ana, varian, blaze i think)
Heroes who can stop or hinder the damage of the top of my head:
samuro
medivh
morales (and all other sustained healer
Auriel’s Aegis
Uthers shield
and a lot more.
I think DC is going to be in the same boat as Mephisto’s Ulti. Everyone is gonna be sure its broken but its actually A: balanced, or B: not that good.
If it does turn out its OP they can make it so he has to stay NEAR the target over the 3 seconds to heal off him.
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