I swear if I don’t see any balance changes or buffs with her in the next upcoming PTR then I’m gonna be really upset. she’s pretty much garbage now and under powered and has been that way for months.
When is she gonna get a buff ? As a valla player that has put so many hours in her, it really sucks that she’s pretty much useless in most cases because of her Low HP and damage potential being out of date.
Her HP is crap and her damage pretty much sucks now because of other heroes either getting reworked or buffed so her builds just feel under powered also. Please blizzard buff valla. Don’t just leave her in the dust.
I haven’t seen someone played valla in probably two months now dead series. I have not played with her or against her in a really long time.
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Nerf all the “solid” heroes that are mostly overtuned under the guise of being “solid” would be better and prevent power creep.
Heroes like raynor, fenix, kaelthas, azmodan, diablo, most people think they are balanced, people say they are just “solid heroes, not overtuned”
But the fact is that more than half the hero pool are nowhere near as strong as them and valla is part of this “nowhere near as strong” batch.
So rather than buff 3/4 of the hero pool to match the strength of those heroes (causing huge powercreep), just nerf those “solid heroes”
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I disagree. valla is out dated. its not that heroes are over powered its the simple fact that other auto attackers are just better at the moment and valla’s damage has become under powered because of recent balance changes over the months.
They need to buff her and make some adjustments. One she needs more HP because I think murky has better hit points then she does, two they need to buff her builds because they are all pretty much garbage right now in terms of damage unless your on battlefield of eternity.
what rock have you been rock?
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Valla isn’t the optimal hero. But she’s not garbage.
Garbage is Tassadar or TLV.
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Her damage is actually fine. (if you can stack hatred)
She struggles because of her range and health. (makes it hard to stack hatred)
If she has Tass she is pretty good. (he enables her hatred stacking and keeps her alive)
But she shouldn’t be balanced around having Tass anymore because Tass is not meta and he is getting changed so I think she will probably get buffed in the near future or after Tass gets his rework.
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She should get a health bonus, and maybe an update to the Hatred mechanic.
Gotta love entering a fight underpowered because you didn’t stack it somewhere beforehand. Perhaps the attack damage differential should be eased up and the bonus stats placed elsewhere, because having -80% attack damage at 0 stacks is kinda dumb tbh.
Edit: Something like, now you get 40% bonus attack damage when hatred is at max stacks, but your maximum attack damage remains the same. So if you started before at 100 damage to max out at 180, now you start at 128 and max out at around 179.
0.5% baseline lifesteal would be sweet too (per hatred stack).
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Personally, I feel as if she was just pushed out of the meta by hyperdivey heroes that can screw her in a blink of an eye, but we also have more assassins to fit each role that was previously needed instead of using valla as a catch all sort of assassin.
So now that we have specialized heroes, it’s not a surprise that valla gets pushed out even further.
Personally, I feel like she ought to have an identity over being the rounder assassin because it’s really not doing her any good because the devs have to compensate being a fast mercer, decent AoE, high sustained damage, high burst damage hero with mobility to out run or to dodge key skillshots while also having a stun.
That being said I think she’s still decent, just not great for the reasons above.
TLV is not garbage. He just needs an optimal 4 man to work with.
Just today I played against a TLV comp like that, the enemy comp had a sylv in the mix as their ranged damage dealer, we lost 2 forts to their early game because we struggled to keep up with soaking, it was painful.
Against those comps it can not only be powerful but also oppressive, but in a macro way.
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The problem is, ‘dialing back’ power creep is almost universally received as a bad move. Feeling that the entire game is going slower, things aren’t hitting as hard, it’s harder to make big plays overall is a very negative feeling when the trend has been slowly but surely going away from that.
Card games can SOMEWHAT easily avoid this because the meta gets force-reset when sets get rotated out. Online games like this really don’t have that luxury. There’s far too many variables to consider, literally thousands, while a cardgame has those considerations set to a hundred or so at most.
She’s fine the way she is. She’s a sustained damage dealer, not a burst assassin. I barely play Valla now because of other heroes like Zul’jin and Varian, but when I do play her I wipe the enemy team. If you’re not top damage you’re either not playing her right or your team isn’t enabling you. Remember, this a team game where you must work together, because if you don’t then the enemy team just wipes you.
As soon as you halve her damage or give her some attack animations that can’t be button mashed instantly, sure.
Hots is already way too bursty. Slower fights give more room for strategic maneuvers
swear to christ if they mess with her attack animation thats going to be the tree that broke the rats back for me. A small health buff is fine , unless people want to see a nerf across the board to modern heroes.
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her overall design is fine. the issue with her right now is she needs more health and she needs to get her LV 13 talents early. She needs a talent rework that gives her more sustain and serviveability along with some improvements with her builds. their is nothing wrong with her range in my opinion, its just the fact that she doesn’t have enough health and serviveability earlier game like other damage dealers.
I think the main problem here is that Fenix, Raynor, Zul’jin and Cassia are all better aa heroes. Cassia hard counters heavy aa comps, Raynor has way more sustain and doesn’t take 6 seconds minimum to ramp up his damage. Fenix has way more mobility and arguably more survivability, he has global capability with his ult and purification salvo is infinitely better than strafe. ZJ can stack his damage infinitely and has better single target nuke potential with guillotine. The only strength Valla has over these 4 is a stun.
As far as her more mage builds go, you could compare her to orphea who has potentially better mobility, way more self sustain and her burst damage is on par with KTZ. Meanwhile valla’s single target mage build is countered just by standing relatively close to each other and her w build again requires a minimum of 6 seconds to ramp up. Once again her only real strength here (which is arguable when you take jaina and icy veins into account) is her single target clear speed on BoE.
Plus there is one overarching thing they all can do that valla cant and that’s solo lane. Her lane clear is on par with a level 1 sylvanas with no w stacks and she has no sustain to stay in lane.
Overall she’s just a below avg option for every roll she fills. She either needs slight tweaks like putting seething hatred in an earlier tier or revamping hatred all together, an attack range increase and an hp buff as she has even less hp than tracer and even olaf. Heck balog is only 200 less hp at level 1. Or other assassins that occupy the same role need nerfs.
With all that said, she is still viable but your always better off going with a different option.
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Giving her a health increase of 75-100 or so and increasing her range by 1 would be an easy fix. Look at how the 100 hp buff worked out for Sylvanas.
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Valla has great kit and she is so fun. But I don’t play her because she is sooo squishy. How can she have less HP than Tracer??? If she is just 1 inch out of position she dies. She is viable, but other heroes which can do the same job much safer - Fenix or Raynor even Zuljin.
Devs pls don’t rework her again. Just give her 10% more HP.
I don’t think that win rate increase is entirely due to the hp buff. People also got better at playing her and there’s this video.
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Weird, I just got out of a match where our Valla got MVP.
Of course, it helps if your tank isn’t an idiot, and actually bothers to set her up and peel for her.
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You are right, but that extra 100 health cured a rather glaring flaw with her in that she was quite squishy. She can still get blown up, but that extra health helps her with how her trait works now. I have been playing the snot out of her since the changes (almost non-stop with close to seven levels under my belt with the new Sylvanas) and she is very potent.
Also, I noticed recently that Sylvanas’ stacking mechanism stays on Samuro even after he creates illusions, effectively blowing his cover.
Valla is a good hero, but she cannot take a hit and is competing with heroes who can out ranger her. Whenever I play her and get to level 20, I always take Farflight Quiver as it makes it so much easier to keep Hatred stacks up while keeping her safe from harm.
Even a simple range increase of 1 would do her wonders as she won’t have to stick her neck out so far when engaging the enemy team. If they have to nerf Farflight Quiver to do such a thing I am okay with that.
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