Blizzcon opened with Metallica

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Even though that was in an age where downloading was considered normal, it doesnt mean it was legal. The only reason why it was generaly not punished was because downloading a song took enough time that your phone bill generaly compensated for its cost. Napster was however trying to benefit more than p2p/direct download programs would.

The netherlands took a lot longer on that, because in the netherlands we also had a ‘homecopy fee’ on all devices. And that was used as argument of allowing a copy (which you downloaded). But in the end even that was considered diffirent, but with a few sidenotes to protect the downloaders:

  • As controlling company, you arent allowed to bait, if you upload the content, you are providing the content legaly to them.
  • You arent allowed to crack/invade the connection of the downloader. So even doing that would be considered illegal. Only pure HTTP (port 80) downloads can generaly be punished.
  • Those companies are not allowed to put fake content, since that would fall under spamming and other fraudulent actions.
  • Even if a company was found to have performed illegal uploads, the downloaded might not be aware of this, and this information therefor cannot be used in other lawsuits.

The only reason its illegal here is to be able to capture the uploaders faster and have better legal grounds for that.

But in the end, its still piracy, and illegal, even if by law you are protected, as long as you are using a protected connection (because breaking that is illegal, and logging of the uploader cannoy be used).

It even got that far that after several years, the ban on a popular download side (which ISPs had to enforce) was lifted due to it having invalid grounds (it was too heavy for its purpose).

And now since there is spotify and a lot of streaming services, they also are competing with those downloads. As in the end, downloading was just an indication of a lack of convenience (either a too high price, or a lack of service being given, or anything that customers consider not convenient enough). There is a reason why game downloads were massively reduced after steam started.
And some still use that price argument, some believe it should all be free anyway…

What metalica did, was surely anoying at that time, but in the end still needed.

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BURN IT DOWN.
friend !

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In another universe where Blizzard did the opposite:

Posted by Dincerella:
Blizzcon opened with a kpop group
And ended with Metallica. Shouldnt it be the other way around?
Prob the worst blizzcon ever.

The Blizzcon has a lot of things to improve. But not this kind of silly thing. Intro and outtro, which one is more important? You prefer outtro, others and me prefer intro. Why do you prefer outtro? What I see is that they need a big impact at the beginning to make people interested and continue to watch the event.

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Cease

anything but this pls :sob:

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Unless someone hacked Blizzard’s channel, that video is definite proof we are truly alone in this world and there is no God or intelligent design.

I’m still trying to process what I just saw is on the actual Blizz channel…

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You made me watch a few seconds of that. I HATE YOU.

(Why does this exist?)

So that’s why…

You’re weird.

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my eyes hurt

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I mean it’s totally odd and weird that’s for sure, but it is also creative, so it’s a plus for me. :joy:

See? That means that is really catchy, so Blizzard did indeed a good job. :joy:

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Yes. No one is arguing that it isn’t illegal.

Even before downloads, people made mix tapes. This was common and nobody made a big stink about it. Yes, it was illegal.

When Napster came around Metallica saw they were losing money and sat up in their chair. I think even then, people would joke about how much money they had and how greedy they were.

There are points where one can’t even lend PAID downloaded media, because they are tied to some sort of service/device. I’d have to lend the entire device if say I wanted to lend, a video game, audio book, or movie. One must be careful how these corporations sway the law. If they had it their way, we’d have to pay for radio listening time. One can’t simply own the album by paying for it, we will have to live the Netflix way… If that ever happens, I will be glad to be on the side of the pirates and activists.

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:clap:

I’m not a fan of the subscription model for every piece of media or service. What is worse is as you say, even if you purchase a virtual item a company can have a clause that for any reason they can void your ownership of that media.

Practices like this no doubt encourage pirates and sympathy for them.

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You would be surprised how many of that already exists:

  • Radio stations pay money based on the average amount of listeners.
  • A CD is not fully considered owning the device, you generaly arent allowed to make a copy (the netherlands has an exception here, which made every device contain some extra tax).

And these laws date back over 25y.

Some companies even applied DRM on their downloaded music. Which already coupled the music to usage of an app. The netflix way also exists as spotify (dont know if tidal applies drm).

This greediness isnt even purely the artists own doing. Its generaly the bigger companies (disney, sony, warner) that forced this. Some artists just took over this behaviour because it is considered normal to do so, but most of the time in cooperation with such larger company.

So your worries already were too late when napster existed (and note that DRM for music existed on CD’s aswel! There were tricks in which you could burn the cd in a certain way which CD players then refused to play back).

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I burned all my CDs onto my computer and the CD still played in whatever player they were put into. Even ones from different countries. So perhaps this was a Netherlands thing?

You are right and it has been said that media corporations tried to put DRM on files you paid for to only be used within their systems. Which is a service, not ownership. We all know that “ownership” means paying for the license to be used in various ways within the confines of the law.

MY worry is being FORCED to live the Netflix way. Where I own nothing. I can still go and get a physical copy or download the media and do what I wish with it. I can take it with me. I could consume my media in a box, next to a fox, or even on top of rocks. Without “Big Brother” internet watching.

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do you guys not have phones? - Blizzcon 2019 :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Its (for example) a playstation thing. Custom burned disks couldnt be loaded because the lens movement pattern that was burned into the disk was used for its validity check. Copied disks would not copy that as its normaly considered part of a unstable disk (the lens has to correct its focus based on distance).

For CDs they sometimes applied code that made the header get messed up, when copying CD’s this messed header gets altered because it was copied more accurately. While during read, it would be ignored because it gets detected as an invalid bit and is purged/corrected on the fly. But in most cases it simply made the PC think that the cd was a data cd instead of an audio cd. While the audiosystem would ignore it anyway. Especialy since data sections would be ignored on hifi sets anyway as they cant use it.
Note that it in most cases was flawed since any decent copy system would be able to just copy it as if it was a CD (thats for example why this option existed in programs), but it made some systems break (again, mainly systems from sony).

At least it hasnt gone as bad as the disposible DVD: DVD-D - Wikipedia
This was the worst idea they ever made.

But sure, all of these systems had flaws, and in many cases companies avoided those methods as complaints can give a quite bad reputation.

At the time where PC usage became common, those CD drives were too reliable and didnt fall from these tricks. And in some cases were even able to replicate the more exact details.
that it exists doesnt mean its effective

TV wise it had been a bit more effective due to it being an analog signal in an analog system (macrovision). But even this wasnt too effective as plenty of people just called the system broken and would return hardware that wasnt capable of handling macrovision properly (or better said: it ensured it would be ignored).

Companies will try everything. But dont be surprised that many companies avoid this. A good DVD reader (and burner) company will want to make a system that is capable of properly doing both, so any copy protection method is generaly just going to be ignored. (and luckily they can do that as the general format itself is kept open for this)

But thats where bluray starts again… Yes, they contain DRM in its design! And in this case, its generaly worse as it requires your bluray players to get updated in order to obtain updated keys if those are needed.

The netherlands thing was generaly just a tax addition to allow us to make copies for personal use (note that in many countries you are not allowed to make such copy by law! but no one cares).

Until the download action gets detected, because its still considered piracy to do so. And in most countries this is still illegal. The disk part however… most countries stopped caring about it because its no longer mainstream to do piracy that way anyway.

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They had a lady literally cook a burger out of all the things to fill in the air time. I certainly do not want to diminish her skill and craft, but it was obvious how most of the event was pre-recorded, so they could have at least tried harder in making the segment more interesting through use of time magic and editing (ie cook a real meal).

If you didn’t like the event, you are probably hating it for all the wrong reasons.

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They were apparently extremely proud of that cookbook.

Either I’m insane or it seems like we’re being derided. “You idiots will eat up anything we feed you. Mangez, mongrels.”

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You eyes will get better. My soul won’t!

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This post made more sense than most things in 2021 have.

Thank you for this point of view… it actually tracks for a lot of this, smoking gun is probably the BlizzCon ‘good feels.’ If I think about it like a bunch of parents making something they think kids would find fun… :neutral_face:

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This makes sense.

What doesn’t make sense is paying money for this. Tell me people didn’t pay money to see this. Please…PLEASE!

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I don’t know why I thought you guys were joking about someone making burgers for blizzcon xD I wish they did this in the style of Binging with Babish, if anyone knows who that is how much more cooler would that have been this? He does a step by step process in meal making with fantastic video editing.

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