Blizzard/HotS developers should be ashamed of themselves

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A superstition is any belief or practice considered by non-practitioners to be irrational or supernatural, attributed to fate or magic, perceived supernatural influence, or fear of that which is unknown.

The Oxford English Dictionary [8] describes them as “irrational, unfounded”,

Cambridge Dictionary as “sans grounding in human reason or scientific knowledge”.

the partial reinforcement effect… has been used to explain superstitious behaviour in humans. To be more precise, this effect means that, whenever an individual performs an action expecting a reinforcement, and none seems forthcoming, it actually creates a sense of persistence within the individual.

What you’ve posted is so mired in irrational and fallacious claims that it’s evident that you’re conditioned into some sort of ‘superstitious’ ritual as to expect something out of this tripe. Congrats to the skinner box of your life that made whatever heuristics you operate on convince you that your wall should be posted.

In simpler terms, the prevalence of ignorances, disregard for informative resources, and acting on those are the evidence of superstition, and you have acted on those.

What you have posted is a irrational scapegoat of the boogieman; you’re in a terrible spot of skill, comprehension, and empathy so you are the sort of person who thinks complaints are going to make a difference in circumstances they will not: it is acting on superstition for things you have fabricated out of fear and/or ignorance.

Your forum id is listed as made on October 2, 2018 which likely means your experience with blizzard actually predates the formation of the current forum: You aren’t someone who picked up HotS yesterday and feel betrayed the day after. So despite the years here, you seem apparently ignorant that:

  1. Dustin Browder left blizzard years ago, has have other leaders, developers, artists, etc
  2. Team 1 was disbanded (ie, the group that made HotS, among other things)
  3. The game announced it was put into maintenance mode, both officially and not, with lots of time between then and now.
  4. Blizzard staff are paid under industry standards.
  5. The executives that operate the holding company of Activision Blizzard are largely overpaid, which typically comes at the cost of the artists you’re backhandedly trying to compliment in favor of furthering your scapegoat.

You are attacking people that are passionate creators largely not compensated for their efforts that had to weigh several options you haven’t bothered to consider, and you are doing so well after these people have left, been unable to make the changes they want, and they did so at the call of people ignorant of their efforts.

What is ‘unacceptable’ is dullards like you that revel in as much ignorance, misunderstandings, and lack of ability.

You’re probably yet another ‘bronze-lord’ who persists in blaming others to try to hide their own shortcomings and laziness, and you do so in mediums beyond just this game. You’re unhappy, you don’t care about other people, and you think deriding them makes you look better and compensates for evident faults that you could have the intent to try to improve instead.

Complaints are about the lowest form of communication as is, and yet you’re the sort that thinks your letter has enough magic effort to demand a difference that fell apart long before you were remotely inconvenienced by it. And you probably carry that conduct onto whatever other games mire your time, whatever businesses you debase with your consumerism, and whatever few people tolerate your social contributions beyond them also engaging in more of the same.

Information abounds at easy reach of your fingertips, and yet here you are prattling in adolescent tantrums on what is ‘unacceptable’ with little rational actually put into one word after the other. That tripe has ‘gone on for years’.

Maybe you should put in more ‘reason’ into your actions than banal gratification and sparkly graphics.

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I’m sorry, but your answer is illogical.

Groups don’t get a much higher win rate. The game tries to match them against other groups, and if it can’t they are matched against players with higher mmr. They win about half their games. So it’s unfair for what reason?

How is 51% “Odds stacked against you”? If you went to a casino, and your odds of winning was 49% you’d complain?

You’re saying the devs purposely made it so that solo players constantly lose to groups when they play. What possible reason would they have for doing that?

If you were right, solo players would lose every game and HotS would have died years ago because everyone would quit.

You believe something to be true despite evidence to the contrary. That’s what superstition is.

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While groups migth have a slight advantage over solos. The individual ability to throw those games is at least an order of magnitude larger. An example: the other day I was in a team of solos. Opponent has Aba+Tracer duo. To add insult to injury, they also have Butcher, Varian (Twin blades) and Illidan.

Aba goes lvl 4 mine + full monstro.

Admittedly the mines were bit of an inconvenience but less so than 25% more damage and self heal would have been.

So you see, they had the advantage, but the devs couldn’t keep them from throwing it away. And nevermind how hard the devs try to make games balanced some people will find the way to lose regardless.

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Unfortunately you’ll like get most of the forum champion responses. The shills aside, it’s pretty amazing people on this forum continue to contest that having players pre-select a hero composition doesn’t give them an automatic advantage against the joke that is QM solo composition.

It’s always funny to me when you see the same stacks always running the A and S tier heroes only. Meanwhile they can expect to see F tier ones on the opposite side.

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It’s more amazing that you linger here prattling the same broken responses and wonder why a modicum of misplaced and useless negativity isn’t well received.

It’s almost like ignorant people make everything around them worse, and a collection of people acting as resource of available knowledge would post contrary to ignorant rants.

It’s just such a marvel that chronic complainers don’t receive a better reception when that sort of behavior is well-regarded in most other places due to it being a) problematic b) unhelpful c) unsustainable d) perpetuates lies e) doesn’t help people have a better time e) ignores empathetic experiences that a lot of aspects of life ‘suck’, aren’t compensated enough for the time/efforts and relies on passionate people to reinforce one another to maintain the attitude of creating more than they destroy.

Meanwhile, you’re a brokencup. Fancy that. You only seem to hold grievances, you spill falsehoods most places you type, and you don’t seem to notice gradations and instead focus on polarized extremes.

In a genre defined by people to know things, it’s not exactly a worthwhile skillset to fixate on blaming others, not improve, and otherwise be scared of things being different than expected consequences to follow those with poor impulse control.

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I’m an ahh, because reading these threads makes me scream. But only softly, and then I promptly forget it happened.

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People forget not all groupes are tryhards like the 3k mmr players that constant farm solos past midnight.

I have played vs many stacks of 3-5 and won with randoms cause they were bad or misplayed or grew arrogant.

As you said: If solos as doomed to lose every game vs a groupe then this game would never get out of Alpha/Beta and become as popular as it was.

But in the end games are mostly balanced when both teams are a full groupe and within eachothers mmr. Everything els is just stacks that take advantage of all the rainbow matches they get.

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This post is a troll post, please report.

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Advantage yes, I haven’t seen a response where someone said that stacking isn’t an advantage, despite what hero comp is formed. Hots is supposed to be played as a full team, so naturally those who stack will have this advantage.

What I pointed out were purely practical issues. Unless Hots is revived and there is a significant influx of new players, who also stick around, until then we can’t have separate queues for solo players and groups in any mode.

Some people here are debating just how much of an advantage a 5 stack has, but that’s what forums are for, right, to discusses the nuances of a topic? This does not make them defenders or Blizzard shills, simply because they acknowledge this issue is more complicated than “it’s bad.”

To make it clear again, of course those who stack as a group have the advantage over solo players. If Hots was wildly successful (and not already shelved), solo’s would never be matched vs groups.

Unfortunately, we can’t always have nice things.

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Such a white knight blizzard defender :crazy_face:

But seriously, I agree with you. People aren’t saying that groups don’t have any advantage over solo players. People are just pointing out that statistically groups vs solo players don’t win as much as some people complain. Overall they have around 50% winrate.

Sure, there might be some groups out there who abuse the MM somehow and have 80%+ winrate, but they are much more rare and you won’t get them all the time unless minor region. If someone is getting matched with some of these groups, just write down their name and when you log into the game, do a whisper (without actually sending a message) and just check if they are queueing. If they are, just wait a bit until they get a game.

Another thing is that you’re also unlikelly to get matched vs groups as a solo player unless you also get groups in your team. The data has been tracked and you will get very few games vs groups with a solo team (or 1-1-1-2). Unless, of course, minor region, which then I suggest doing what I said before.

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another factor is the unspoken context of the complaints:

  • A number of complaints about leavers in games are coming from those in leavers queue.

  • A number of group/stomp complaints are in a group, they’re just unhappy they lose.

  • Elo hell or similar ‘can’t climb’ come from afk-push or aram brawl players that mindlessly die with a faceroll of their qwerty.

These are players that aren’t interested in applying themselves, they’ve simply ingrained in themselves that if they complain enough the universe will revolve around them, and how dare anyone else say otherwise :shushing_face:

There’s a difference they aren’t going to process between identifying actual problems, creating solutions, and figuring out what they can actually do beyond wagging a finger at someone.

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have seen the balance developer selling hot dogs on the street. I hope it doesn’t poison anyone.

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I don’t even know what to say here. You’re insane with this kind of reply. Do you even play Heroes of the Storm? I can’t help but think that your favorite “pvp experience” is here—scouring the HotS forums—in search of threads that aren’t perfectly worded and reply to reasonable complaints about HotS’ poor performance, optimization, etc., but in the most descriptively aggressive way possible. This is just sad.

I’m not a programmer, a developer, a network architect, or an analyst. I’m a player who is trying to play a game that is definitely performing worse than literally all of the other games I own. Furthermore, all of these other games I’m describing are larger, require more RAM, and require more network bandwidth.

And, somehow, they all perform quicker and have better input response times than Heroes of the Storm does! Like, it’s incredibly frustrating to experience this after nearly a decade of playing HotS. It’s also incredibly frustrating that no one seems to clue in to that detail here when unabashedly defending this game’s development history as you have. And, yes, I have been playing since Beta, regardless of the snide remark you made about my “forum ID… made on October 2, 2018.” The game has performed pretty much the same as it always has since 2.0.

So, I don’t know how the hell you arrive at me being “superstitious” which, let’s be honest, was the crux of your entire weirdly descriptive and insulting response. Perhaps I wasn’t being clear in my original post? So I hope this one was clearer for you.

Even as much of a “dullard” as I seem to be to you, I would have at least gotten to the root cause of why this game performs so poorly in some matches and is normally responsive in others and fixed it.

Not to mention doing away with a Quick Match system that was designed by people who seem to revel in embarrassing solo queue players as they struggle against groups and get regularly steamrolled. That’s objectively unfun for all but the most masochistic kind of player.

So, please get over yourself, Xenterex.

It doesn’t matter what my rank in this game is (another weirdly goofy thing you threw in there). The fact is that whoever was responsible for the underlying architecture of Heroes of the Storm didn’t really take it very seriously. Sure, there are very committed people who sacrificed a lot for this game. But I’d be willing to bet that they weren’t the ones who built the game to begin with.

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They should have made a normal reporting system and opened the MMR a long time ago, when people asked to do so. And then there would be no problems with people. I give thou a 200% guarantee that it would so. Of course, not everything is the developers’ fault, and we shouldn’t forget about the fault of the management.

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There is an old dispute between believers and atheists. The secods say: “prove that God existeth.” The first answer: “prove that he doth NOT exist.” Thy post is exactly about that.

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Ech, not really. If God’s inexistance needs to be proven, then everything (like the rainbowpoophing unicorn or the spaghetti monster) is real till proven otherwise.
So no dispute, atheists are waiting for the proof for a god (not even for The God).

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Also depends how you define what a god really is.

Bibel define god as holy father that watch over humans.
Science define god as something that are beyond our understanding.

A caveman from the stoneage would define the first human to invent fire as a god cause fire at that time was unknown to them.

Aliens would see themself as gods if they are the strongest species in the univers.

Every species or individual has its own definision of what god really is.

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No, I’m not. I’d be more inclined to say that you are: people that don’t want to learn more, improve, and loop cycles of complaints to try to rationalize that have demonstrable neglect in their mental health, and they’re the ones usually not looking to get help on that either esp since concerns for mental health are largely assumed to be more ‘boogie man’ stories.

Your topic here is very disconnected with the context of the game (abandoned game with lots of things left unfinished in case you don’t remember me writing that out) You are convincing yourself of bad assumptions about people you don’t know anything about, and the influences that get you to draw those conclusions are very narrow. Yet here you are repeating more of the fault-finding conduct.

A direct example of that is your concern on my playing the game. Yes, yes I do play the game and there are ways to could check. Part of my concern with the experience that is HotS. – or any game really – is that the game is significantly worse when playing with people that don’t know much, aren’t very skilled, and have little interest of changing that of themselves. So, in what limited capacity I have, I tend to frequent game communities to offer information that people otherwise neglect so they can change their own circumstances and hopefully improve aspects of the game for everyone else.

I am still under the impression you do not understanding that a game that hasn’t been in active development – for years now – isn’t going to change to suit your complaints. I’m going to venture a guess you didn’t read that part of my reply because you think the reply is ‘insane’.

Part of the issue of ‘superstition’, however, is that people are already occupied with falsehoods that they are afraid of information that doesn’t align with their beliefs. Instead, they make up things to attack to better reinforce their bad information and instead lash out an accuse others, especially with stuff better suited to describe their own conduct.

My pointing that out your lack of information and care isn’t “insane”, but your defaulting to assuming bad things about people that – again – you don’t know about indicates how much you are acting out of ignorance to reinforce your concerns.

I explained the concerns of superstition, but since you aren’t someone that is informed, or want to be, that that reinforces the concerns I expressed about you being superstition. You seem to barely have one understanding of how the word can be used and have then disregarded most of everything else that was written because you think it’s “insane”.

This is a pattern of conduct that reflects on how you likely process and perform in other games. How you perform is largely going to influence if you enjoy the experience, or rather, that you’d not going to enjoy it, look for something else to blame, and then use that as a cycle to effectively keep yourself from learning more and improving.

Yes, the game is a mess built on an old engine that, since it’s not being updated is probably going to get worse and worse depending on your gaming setup. The performance of the game would be something better suited for tech support topics (that see more blue activity then genchat) but again, the concern here isn’t about improving the circumstances for you, it’s about looking for things to blame.

Just because someone isn’t a “programmer, a developer, a network architect, or an analyst” doesn’t mean they can’t learn more about ‘why’ certain things happen the way they do, especially if these are things that aren’t going to change.

For someone who has a tendency to ‘shout’ on the forums in allcaps, I think the issue isn’t me getting over myself, but you needing to get over yourself.

You’re willing to make ‘bets’ that don’t need effort or knowledge to make, and that’s pretty much the story of your accusations: they’re safe, and you don’t need to learn anything from it.

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I get it, but I think applying theology to the notion of “illegal bots”, is a bit of a stretch.

In this case, it makes zero practical sense for Blizzard to spend the money/resources to devote to creating “illegal bots”, to make it seem as Hots has a more active player base than it does.

You might not be able to “logic” your way out of the age-old question, of a sky being, but you can apply logic to the above. As Blizzard practically hides Hots in the menus, hasn’t addressed the patch loop bug that affects Hots only, it makes no sense that they would spend money to create bots to pad out player numbers.

That theory was floated by someone before we had the recent bug patches, and while not impossible, I feel safe saying it’s extremely unlikely given that Blizzard is not a sky being, but a big business who only cares about their bottom line.

Sadly, all of Blizzard’s actions suggest that Hots is lost in the rearview, and with MS taking over, we can’t even be certain they won’t just pull the plug entirely.

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The mental gymnastics in this thread is astounding.