People want me to give russians a chance and then I see this.
Moderator foaming at the mouth at sight of a civilized discussion in the trans thread but doesnāt mind having a political thread on a gaming forum. Just in case if anyone was wondering what Blizzardās stance is;
https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-to-support-more-currencies-on-battle-net-starting-may-4th-2022-326902
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Where is the sources of this?
Iāve only heard an US official say this and Zelensky which is awfully convenient.
HR sites have stats and information about specifically Ukrainian sides casualties but not Russiaās side for obvious reasons.
But the stats you can see are nowhere near a āgenocideā degree. The targets arenāt even indiscriminate accordingly to several sources like Ukrainian side and US specifically is reporting.
Homes and streets are empty and evacuated where millions of people fled the area at the start of the conflict to both western Ukraine and into Russia. Itās not like people are sitting in their living room eating a pizza as theyāre ignoring their neighbors house getting a hole. Most of The areas were evacuated long before the full conflict even started.
We canāt paint such things in HotS but people are saying worse things than writing a letter āZā in the General chat about Russia.
Can someone give me some pro-Ukrainian sources that I might not have seen that proves all these things you guys say?
Iām gonna be honest and i hope you can see some sense to me being skepticalā¦ but I just canāt help it to be extremely skeptical to fully giving my unconditional faith that one Ukrainianās testimony as 100% truth In a conflict that affects more than 1 party.
I hope they donāt banā¦ I donāt hold that view and iām sure you can find many more to contest that. Here youāre getting people that agree to the same point unconditionally but itās not representative.
I donāt like the idea to hang innocents for the actions of others.
For meā¦ the thought of stooping to that level is just distastefulā¦
I swear why cant video game companies just stay the hell out of politics, it doesnāt even make sense to hold normal everyday people accountable because of their corrupt government, maybe we should hold our own government accountable for onceā¦ but I forgot their in California.
can we please ban this idiot already, ban me as well for harassment but it had to be said
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For whatā¦ what is this man itās crazy how often set number of people call me thatā¦ Read the Human rights websites and others like itā¦ itās all thereā¦
I would take it back and even apologize if you could produce the contraryā¦ Thereās so much content available and Iām being verbally abused for highlighting them.
Itās crazy how allergic mankind has become to perspective and reading multiple sources.
You said you wanted to keep conversation civil. I agree with you about this particular poster, they have already stated they get most of their hot takes from āRTā and yet donāt even see the possible potential of bias in their news source.
I donāt think it matters if Blizzard supports Ukraine or not in the larger picture. They have done the minimum, which canāt be said of other companies. Soon they wonāt really even be āBlizzardā once Microsoft absorbs them, so all of this pearl clutching is wasted virtual ink.
Personally I defer to Dr. Logan as from what I can tell he is the only person in this thread who is directly in the firing line of this conflict and argument.
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Yea just silence anyone saying something you guys donāt agree with.
Who cares about free speech or freedom of press, you guys certainly donāt seem to.
You guys probably support the jailing of Julian Assange as well.
Ask for this topic to be closed instead of attacking me personally to get me banned for voicing a perspectiveā¦
Iām sorry if i butchered context of your post.
I donāt read or listen to RT, having said that I donāt fully believe the opposite sides allegations about RT being biased either because I havenāt seen any because I donāt follow itā¦
But the majority of the lies I have seen is from western medias. Lies that you can actively confirm if you cared enough about it.
Itās your buddyā¦ Not mine, I guess I have the luxury to talk back and oppose the āHeās living down there, only HE has the 100% truthā argument.
I have talked with my share of friends and people coming from a war torn countries that has said things that has turned up to be incorrect a few years later when the wars had settled.
I learned my lesson looooong ago not to believe the testimony of 1 individual.
I mean absolutely no offence by saying thisā¦ If you knew me youād know i donāt. Iām just blunt which can be perceived as me being offensiveā¦ But iām really not trying to.
Itās called tact and empathy. You arenāt going through what Dr. Logan is, it doesnāt mean you canāt have your opinions, but perhaps be more mindful of where youāre sharing those opinions and who is your audience.
If you care to scroll up earlier in this thread you would see that I donāt personally blame all Russian people and of course there are nuances here. The thing is Dr. Logan is here, the calamity in Ukraine is going on now as we discuss it on a message forum for a MOBA. As Dr. Logan pointed out to me (without stating it explicitly) he is living the experience, he has no choice to debate āsidesā, that luxury has been taken away from him.
I never called for this thread to be locked, or for you to be silenced. I simply think you should be mindful that this is a game forum and at least one person in this community is directly dealing with life and death issues on a daily basis. There are other more suitable venues for discussing this situation.
*On a personal note, without addressing them directly, you really have āread the roomā quite wrong in terms of my specific opinions on issues. I also apologize if it wasnāt you who said RT was your news source, though I must tell you many of your arguments could be direct quotes from RT.
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Iām sorry Logan if youāre reading, Iām sorry if you perceive me lacking empathy.
I never wish the end of anyone especially civilians, I wouldnāt wish war upon the nation I dislike the most even.
But just as he might feel bad for me writing this in a MobA forum, I donāt like the community spreading uncalled for anti-russian comments in a MobA forum either.
Thatās why Iām sayingā¦ this thread should be closed. Itās a moba forum not a political forumā¦ the players shouldnāt have the right to ask for ANYONES ban here. Especially if it is for a political reason.
If i do then RT imo must hold great viewsā¦ in my humble biased opinion 
Joke aside I only strive to sort of āDisarmā and be neutral. During a war or a conflict Propaganda will emerge to sway the public. It has been so for many millenniaās. Super powers have the control to show or avoid to show alot of things the public has and should have the right to figure out for themselves.
Imagine still useing tires that are this old lol. Are Russia reallly this poor lol.
No wonder they dont make any progress when thier tanks are equiped with USSAR tires.
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Come on, what you are doing in these forums is relativising these horrible crimes happening in Ukraine right now. It is a war initiated by Putin, supported by many russian people due to censorship and disinformation. In western countries you get to read critical and independent media. Meanwhile in Russia you get prisoned for calling out your opinion. Nevertheless, it is you, who keeps questioning western media. Instead, you are coming up with the same arguments again and again also used by russian TV.
NO, it is not the NATO, that threatens Russia by āexpandingā. Countries are joining the Nato, because they are afraid of Russia.
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No, youāre not. Because youāre a pr*ick whose ego bloates and taints the air.
I never say these thing, but you and your Russian friends should be impld and left to rot.
And let the ban come, idc, it was worth it.
Donāt even bother answering, I donāt care about your opinion, youāre a waste of air.
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Youtube is allowed both in western countries and in Russia.
Which means if you look for critical independent media you will find it regardless if youāre from the west or Russiaā¦
I question everything to a degree it is owedā¦
Is that a bad thing? Maybe YOU can tell me since you donāt seem to question anything.
Should I believe everything everyone says?
Do YOU believe everything everyone says?
YOUā¦ are convinced itās not.
You are both convinced and have fully submitted to the idea that āItās not NATOā.
I have heard the argument: āItās not NATOā but I havenāt fully discarded the idea that it could be.
Did I pick a side? Noā¦
Did you? Yesā¦
Did I say anything biased to Russian news? Noā¦
Did you say anything biased to Western news? Yesā¦
If I didnāt look for those critical independent media sources I would have said what youāre saying too without a doubtā¦
Reading your comments, I canāt see you are really sorry.
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Do I have to discriminate to say that Iām sorry or to be able to feel sorry?
I canāt do much if you canāt see itā¦ but I am sorry that you and many more have to go throu thisā¦ I hope the conflict ends so that you and everyone around you can breathe in fresh air.
Iāve said it many timesā¦ I have empathy for any innocent civilian suffering for just wanting to live in peace. Who doesnāt?
Gonna post here until this thread gets locked/removed or until people wake up their minds.
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Youāve already earned enough of Putinās money. Hopefully he pays well at least.
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You enjoy just smearing and lying about people donāt you?
Good for you.
Iāve had enough, at least I know now who is capable of having a civil convo and who is not.
Those people will be hunted down thier whole life and brought to justice in Hagg. Warcrimes does not have an expiration date. What happens in Ukraine wont be forgotten just becasue Zalensky and Putin sign a peace treaty.
And what Putin goes for there are already rumers now about a military operation to overthrow him is ongoing if this continues.
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