While I agree with some of your points, when you make a topic where the title is for example “Remove ASAM”, the forum software warns the poster that topics with the same subject have already been made. It even shows the person posting a sample of other similar threads to post in instead.
Forum already have inbuild anti-spam to notifie people who make topics with same key words as existing topics have. It even refrain you from necro old topics.
If you then ignore that and create another topic about the same stuff its basically spam that in the end can be reported as spam if enough people flags it.
And it dont really take hours to use the search engine to find out if someone els already made a topic about it. Saying it take hours is just a lazy reponse.
With all the posts that were created. The demon was already summoned.
(Probably by Medhiv.)
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if you hit up the forums, reddit and the discords (some of which are more active than the forums) there still isn’t ‘hundreds’ of players complaining. There are select individuals that absolutely hate it, but otherwise, there’s not much response.
There’s less activity on these complaints than the spam perpetuated by a single ‘troll’ poster. That’s part of what is telling regarding these topics: they don’t garner much hits, they don’t get much support, and the amount of total effort could be dwarfed by just 1 passionate person, and they’re not even doing that much.
Contrary to another of your claims, it isn’t select forum regulars that ‘hate’ or get ‘angry’ about these posts, but a response addressing demonstrable misconceptions. There’s about “3 to 4” people that consistently speak out against mirrors, and then the occasional one-off that makes a topic like this.
What does stand out is that there are topics made by established accounts that actually play the game, and not just one-off alts – as with other complaints – but they’re still few and far between. There’s more posts regarding how to improve the mode than asking to have it removed.
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Well, this is the point, isn’t it? The comment you made, in a different thread, went into detail covering the many reasons why some players don’t like ASAM.
When I wrote, that your comment neatly summarized the issues many players have with ASAM, it wasn’t intended to flatter you, it was to highlight the fact that most who post that they hate ASAM, say only that, they hate it. When pressed for reasons why they don’t like ASAM, most can’t or won’t provide any reasons that go beyond the “I hate it” sentiment.
I find it also telling that the majority of those posters who have complained about ASAM, choose not to participate in Spazzo’s thread, almost like they want something they don’t like removed to cater to their personal tastes at the expense of others who enjoy it.
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When a constructive thread pops up where people can discuss it then its funny that those who want it removed never joined it. Its like I dont care just remove it just so only I can have fun. Aka its all me me me mentality. They make it sound like having to play a mirror once every 100 games is end of the world.
Would be better if people just asked to have heroes that makes games way too long removed from the pool. Or just add every hero back and make it a death match with a specific timer. Whoever gets most kills wins.
You dont see those people come with thier own ideas to improve the mode. Remove it all is all they say. Thats why im happy that Blizzard dont take opinions seriously from minority haters with opinions which have zero value.
Would help alot more if the usual 4 haters on this forum would participate in a proper discussion instead of just hiding behind buzz words.
Not really Blizzard fault that the players have a different perception of how ARAM should be when Blizzard made it clear from the trailer it would be a chaotic game mode.
Players that change the rules to make it less like ARAM and more like ranked with less wait time is the fault for thier own misery.
Well you are wrong. There are more posts over on reddit- (I see a new one made less than 24hrs ago), with plenty of people on both sides complaining about it and then some that say they like it. A pattern I see is people sharing their experience of people leaving as soon as the mode pops, which shows even more dislike it, but they probably don’t all log in to forums to express their displeasure.
We need to move passed this “It should be removed, it should stay” and just push for an “opt out” or separate game mode . Its the only path forward. Not holding my breath or anything, but it is a real solution.
Given all the complaints about ARAM in general (remove X hero, remove X talent, wah wah wah), clearly the only real solution to ARAM complaints is to remove the mode completely.
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Except I’m not. It’d be nice if you were literate enough to notice why.
Look, I’ve leveled this at you several times now: you want something, so anything else less than that doesn’t matter. You don’t post proof, you don’t check sources (comparative) you make claims that aren’t substantiated because anything less than impulsive gratification is what you demand, so anything else is just a minor lie you have no issue believing yourself.
You have 1 topic as an example where the issue of concern is the change proposed by the ptr, and less so the “everyone hates it”. Cool, there was another topic in that self-same day that got ignored because the topic you’re likely referencing (ya know, since you don’t bother to post links) is discussing the changes of the PTR more so than they usual complaint cycle. If anything, there’s more bumps about having a complaint megathread instead of having new topics repeat themselves by the minority there.
Here’s what you probably mean https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/1fridlw/all_same_hero_aram_made_worse/
and here’s another https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/1fs0soe/please_janitor_remove_all_same_hero_mode/
This is another case of you trying to over blow a single instance to be bigger than it actually is without bothering to see if it holds up like you expect.
I’d chalk up your complaint about volley fire in aram as a sign of people being bad at the mode, and not wanting to improve. That goes hand-in-hand with people that make claims that don’t require them to learn or improve either.
You see one ‘solution’ and then deject any other one because having people learn to be better is clearly off the table despite you asserting how tactically profound these types of games are supposed to be.
It’s just another case of claiming something that’s easy to say, but not much effort actually put it in to make it real.
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Again, this is where you are mistaken. If you don’t understand why that was said, then you need to dig deeper. Anyways, I’m well passed that point and looking to engage with those looking for actual solutions.
Nothing to add here.
NO. Reddit users, it’s a difference.
Reddit had the chance to downvote the idea to bring it back but did not. Does not really tell that people actually hate it when the truth really comes out.
Even a small sample that ended with yes voters winning 10-1 is already a sign that people on Reddit loves it and the people who hates it on Reddit are the minority just like they are on this forum.
People on Reddit are just as much a real player like everyone els who dont use social media.
I have no idea what you are talking about. And I think this is not up to me.
Just played a 25 minutes lasting torture of 5 murky vs. 5 murky.
1 player immediately left making it a 4 vs. 5 and it still took that long.
As unfun as a MOBA experience could be. The mode was “fun” for some people as long as it lastest, but it’s time to remove this crap from the game.
My main complaint is that you get everyone lined up “civil war” style
What you’re describing is called “volley fire”. My usage of the term is supposed to be an indication that I know what you’re talking about, and I know how to bypass that in aram mirrors. I’d even say that aram mirrors are actually closer to the “paper/rock/scissors” strategy you claim to like, but seemingly don’t actually do because that requires effort/knowledge that is otherwise lacking in how you post, and possibly in how you play.
I generally hold that how people conduct themselves on the forums is influenced by how the conduct themselves in a game: if people have the knowledge, then they can apply it.
Based on your conduct, it generally looks like you are having the typical ‘skill gap’ issues despite you wanting to seem more ‘elite’ than you’ve ever demonstrated yourself to be.
You aren’t ‘looking for actual solutions’ beyond a single response, and anything else that isn’t that is beneath you. That’s part of why any counter-points I make toward your claims are all met with the same reply that I’m the one who isn’t getting it or doing enough despite the direct contradiction made evident. (ie, knowledge, linked proof, etc)
- Teaching players how to be better is a solution
- Refining the hero pool is a solution
- Adjusting the pick style to a ‘choice’ is a solution
Cool, you dislike the mode and want confirmation bias. It’s not more complex that wanting validation, so do yourself a favor and curb the inclination that you’ve got a more nuanced take than a single track want .
Yes we all know what “Volley Fire” is, self appointed mr. Smart guy.
If this is going to be your thesis on why the people don’t like MM, then I just can’t help you. It is why chess players don’t waste their time playing checkers. You are trying to pontificate the argument that: “Chess players obviously don’t have the skill to play checkers!”
Great, you are coming with a solution. I don’t like it, but that is me. I commend you on coming with a solution.
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