Hello, the problem is that the hero Li Ming is the biggest scam in ARAM mode. 2 games in a row vs 2 Li Mings, and after 2 more games vs 3 in one team. It is not fun and there is no counter play. Maybe in the other modes, she is fine and balanced. But here it is unpleasent to play vs or to play with her. The chance of losing with a ming in the team is so so so low, only if she is super new to the game. The resets are terrible mechanic for a one lane map. The only real solution to this is to remove her from the draft list. Same goes for chromie - but at lease chromie has some skill required to play and when she cast Q ability - she is stationary.
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https://www.heroesprofile.com/Global/Hero/?timeframe_type=minor&timeframe=2.53.3.84249&game_type=ar
She’s not even the strongest ranged assassin.
44% isn’t that low.
yep orb build will just be hurling massive nukes across the screen without a cooldown
(because lets face it, in the constant teamfight of aram the orb will hit someone.)
or they can go teleport build and roll their face across the keyboard to oneshot people while getting shields, healing and resets.
she is without a doubt the most annoying character to play against, a total fun-ruiner.
(with garrosh being a close second if you’re melee)
i’m not sure i really trust the stats of win ratios to tell us who is OP or not,
its quite hard to carry in this game even with an OP hero,
that same link you gave says that hanzo, ragnaros and KTZ lose more than Murky.
so clearly something is borked!
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Li-Ming is without a doubt is one of the least annoying heroes to play agasint, she doesn’t ruin my fun. I just stated an opinion there, the direct opposite to yours, but it has the same value, it’s just an opinion.
I get where you’re coming from, but they have already removed the worst offending heroes from ARAM, and disabled some ULTS, where do you want them to stop? If you got Li-Ming removed then people would just ask for KT to be removed, or almost any Mage.
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The only problem is triumvirate (which is borderline broken outside Aram too) it just makes orb build totally spamny. I don’t think any other mage comes close to being as ridiculous as Ming in Aram
Imo they should either ban nothing or get rid of zuljin, Ming, and probably a few others
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I agree with that part, the triumvirate talent encourages and enables the ORB spam build, CDR and Mana return.
I called this in my prior reply, asking for the removal of even more heroes. Why remove so many heroes? How boring ARAM will become.
The OP complained that the chance of losing with a Li-Ming was “so so so low”. I provided the actual chance of losing which isn’t “so so so low”.
All that’s borked is people’s perceptions.
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Hide behind minion waves and she cant dmg you.
Learn to sidestep king her orb.
Dont tell me you dont have fast enough reaction to avoid a long range orb that comes from half map acroos.
Also orb build is only problematic becaue it can be spammed like a zombie becasue of her lvl 4 talent that gives full mana return.
Remove that talent and watch everyone go back to teleport build again.
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ARAM enables team focused heroes because that’s the whole point of it.
For example Murky completely has no presence and is mainly an offlaner pick, only becomes present after 10 and becomes an actual hero on level 20.
Thrall is exceptionally duelist skill match up in 1v1 but starts to excel better the more enemies present because his trait triggers more in the process.
Same case with stack heroes who require a hero.
Li-Ming case is she’s designed around heroes, ARAM doesn’t care about MMR so she steam role hard because people are unable to play the game properly, ARAM also teaches bad habits.
Li-Ming outside of ARAM? Not really, dangerous but easily shutdown, even Orb is a meme. (Pro tip: don’t pick on 16 the Orb talent it will make you deal less damage if you are going for max Orb range 
makes you miss your Qs).
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Hanzo is extremely hard to play right as is Kelthuzad, no surprise there. Especially as Aram has no matchmaking, and many players have little to zero PvP experience.
Anyone can select and play them. Playing them correctly and efficiently is another story.
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Most Mingers go orb or Q build in ARAM so they aren’t a threat. I will admit having 2-3 Mings that go calamity is just BS since you can just spam your buttons even on tanks and they blow up for complete wipes but that’s part of the appeal of ARAM.
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Most of you dont really know, what they are talking about. My problem is , when there is more than 1 Li ming on the team. Most i’ve seen was 3 - and it was so stupid - that it is not a game, just a sh*tshow. Here are only masters and grandmasters - and when i watch tournamests i see how bad are the players. Even paid players cannot position themselves to dodge abilities, but ok the poor people like us can :D.
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Pro tip: never go Orb Build. It just sucks. Just pick triumvirate that’s it.
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i’d rather face 3 Hammers than a single Li’mong
hammer had counters, i enjoyed seeing a hammer on the enemy team when i was someone like Zeebo.
i’d go spider build and troll them hard!
there is no hero that i can play were i look forward to seeing a LiMong.
i’m currently around 8000 arams (hard to tell now since the old ones aren’t tracked)
and i can tolerate most heroes, KT spamming bombs? fine!
but LiMong stands out as a supremely annoying hero to face.
OP doesn’t know what scam means.
OP doesn’t know that on other maps you sometimes fight out of lane, but in ARAM there are always minions around to block her attacks.
Then against Orb build in particular.
Any heroes with summons.
Any heroes with mobility that can get in their face, because 1 full range Orb does more damage than 4 point blank orbs. So instead of running away from the orb…sometimes you want to just charge through it.
Then there’s flanking, you don’t really all have to cluster up.
But most ARAM players move so predictably it’s pretty sad.
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Li ming needs MASSIVE nerf in general, from aram - REMOVE IT
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I always say she feels like the closest thing to a LoL character without being “broken” in mechanics like aba, tlv, chogall
Li-Ming also has counters and respectfully I’d rather not face 2 Hammer who have a healer and strong frontline to protect them.
Saying this, I’ll be upfront that as it’s ARAM I’m mostly agasint removing heroes. 
hammer was removed from aram because some people QQed that she had too much range,
and now here is ming, with more range, and more damage.
it makes utterly no sense that a big stationary target gets removed for being unfun to fight against,
but Li-freaking-Mong spamming pyroblast damage AOE orbs from 12 mile away with no cooldown is A-OK 
yeah we gotta remove that big stationary target because they can damage a single player at a moderate range, but LeMong is peeeerfectly fine.
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You pointed out the problem in your reply. Yes, people complained here about how “unfun” Hammer was, so she got removed, they didn’t like Lava Wave on Ragnaros, so the ULT is disabled, Leoric was a problem for many, removed.
The thing is, it’s just subjective, you didn’t mind Hammer and you are aware of her weaknesses, others cried “unfun”, you don’t like Ming though and want her removed. How many heroes should be removed because a section of the community doesn’t find them fun in what is supposed to be a chaotic one lane Brawler with no Matchmaking?
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