ARAM has same MMR problems as QM but on a bigger scale

Please, don’t pair low level ppl against team where 3 are over 1200 in lvl. I am something around 300, had other guy 750 and rest were lowbies, one dude lvl 80, they had completely no idea what to do, enemy team obliterated us.

MMR is the biggest flaw in this game. 90%+ matches are one side domination. I don’t want to play to either steamroll the enemy or get wrecked.

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I have to stop you right there, ARAM has no matchmaking or MMR, unlike QM.

In ARAM, your team can have a level 0 beginner and a level 1400 Grand Master and everything between that.

If there aren’t enough human-players (like at night), you can even get partially AI enemies (up to 4 bots, there must always be 1 human on each side for a game to start).

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Ok, then that is the problem then. How is that game mode supposed to be fun? It has exactly the same flaws qm has.

Edit. Now I wait for my most liked answer “it’s not supposed to be fair or fun”.

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I dunno, I find it fun. Double, triple heroes. 3 Alaraks on 1 side, 2 Orpheas on the other.

No hearthing, constant action. No objectives. Just fighting.

I wonder why people take the mode so seriously.

Also, I get to try heroes I rarely play, without pressure of rank points loss.

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So you like being mopped around when that happens and you enjoy it as much as when you just clash with the enemies and kill them mercilessly with no way for them to recover? Good riddance.

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So are you willing to wait 10 minutes to find an ARAM, to ensure everyone is of the exact same skill level? That’s what would happen with the current population.

Still don’t understand why people think AI and ARAM are a matter of life and death and want to heavily regulate these modes.

Uh, ARAM doesn’t matchmake on anything but finding 2 teams of 5 players.
It has no matchmaking

How do?
QM has a real Matchmaker.

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ARAM is fun if you are reasonably skilled since you can often stomp your opponents in ways that are not normally possible in other modes due to drafting, no duplicate heroes and MMR. ARAM is not fun if you are unskilled since you will on average get stomped by someone who is better than you.

This is the same experience you got in custom games of Warcraft III where there was no match making at all.

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The comparison to WC3 customs is perfect.

You should never play them if you are below average MMR unless you like losing, because you will lose almost all your matches, since it has no matchmaking (and on average, you will run into people higher skilled than you).

Now that I think of it, the same applies to ARAM. Unless you go premade with some higher ranked friends, you’re going to lose most of your hots ARAMs as a Bronze/silver.

Why is that? Because you get a random assortment of people in ARAM, and most people are over Bronze in skill level.

No, it doesn’t have the same problem. If you play QM as high MMR player you get penalized by game trying to balance you with silver and bronze players. In ARAM you can get anything and game isn’t actively pushing crap on you. That is why ARAM makes significantly better gaming experience. Obviously if you are below average MMR(or rather skill I should say) it makes the mode significantly worse experience since you are the only constant you in your team.

lol I didn’t know this. ARAM is such a freakin joke :expressionless:

cuz they too dumb to play a real mode. i mean it’s really that simple. sorry to be toxic fam :expressionless:

The same way it’s fun playing 8 player free for all Smash with all items on and all stages as an option.
Though even with such crazy settings, those who are decent are going to win more often than not.

And a great deal of the time your opponents have them and you step all over them.
Most of the time they’re just unranked, and you wouldn’t know where they might belong.
Sometimes you get diamonds who play so poorly you didn’t realize they were even supposed to be better than their gold ally.

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Bronze player should be strong ARAM players because when they play ranked they all just brawl in mid like its ARAM xD

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Level does not indicate skill in this game.

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but it could atleast TRY to balance the numbers out :stuck_out_tongue:
there are some ARAMs were you’ll have a bunch of low levels on your team who’ve never played their character and don’t fully know the enemy characters, and the other team has a combined level of 6000.

and it really shows,
it shouldn’t be hard for the system to total up all of the combined levels,
split it in half and then try to get the numbers as even as possible.

Player level doesn’t mean anything.

Fun does not equal Balanced. You know from the start that ARAM won’t be balanced. It’s random.

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I don’t know about others’ experiences but I was wrecked too many times by lvl 5-20 smurfs who were obviously very high MMR, to put any more trust into player levels.

Also been severely disappointed with some level 2000+ players who turned out to be silver or lower (or may have never played other human modes beside Brawl)

As it turns out, grinding AI bots for 4 years and thousands of player levels is no guarantee of skill here.

even if they are from vs AI, they still will know every skill in the game,
every trait in the game, what counters what etc.
levels matter :slight_smile:

as to the smurfs, unfortunately we’ll just have to deal with a few smurfs,
i’d wager the number of smurfs is vastly outweighed but the number of actual low level players.

Nobody truly challenges them in AI, there are people with lvl 100+ mains from AI who have no idea how to build their hero, how to hit a human target that stutter steps or avoids their abilities etc.
They also never take defensive countermeasures like Spell Shields because it isn’t required vs AI opponents.

I have seen as many lvl 1000+ feeders in ARAM as those who were new players. Players with a huge number of deaths, extremely low contribution, despite having a lot of games played on that hero.

Quick Match is a bit of a different story, there even lower MMR players have been constantly challenged by humans and have had to improve to not drop to the complete bottom of the MMR pool.

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