And people wonder why this game is dead?

Ok since I cannot put links to images here, this is what the stats of a person in my team looked like:

Winrate 39.0 %
KDA ratio 1.8

Why is such a person even put in my team? My winrate is 52%, his is 39%! He did not even join the match at start, we had a bot half the match. Then he joined and played worse than the bot. How can you only have a KDA of 1.8??? Even if you would just sit next to your team doing nothing, you should have more than 1.8 kills per death! But this dude just fed hard, too. And statistically, if you would just sit in a match, doing something, you should end somewhere at 50%. 39%??? You need to actively sabotage matches and your team mates to be so bad.

No wonder good players left in masses if that is what Blizzard puts into your team. One player singlehandedly can ruin a match in a few seconds.

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I’ve seen players like you describe both on my team or on the enemy side. If this is QM, then you should be aware that the MM uses MMR averaging to form teams. This is why you can have a higher MMR (most likely) than that 30% WR player and still be matched with them.

In an ideal word the MM wouldn’t need to use averaging to form games, but I’m sure you know how Hots is doing these days.

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I have seen people with worse stats then that. Once got matched with 15000 game Sylvanas with 1.2 kda. Some people in this game just love to run it down a random lane until they reach core cause thats the only thing they can figure out in this game.

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I’m not saying all of these 1,5 KDA people are trolls, but probably quite a few are.
Some might also be kids who just pass time on the laptop without parental supervision and don’t really care about what is going on beyond flashy animations and dragons breathing fire.

It’s unfortunate you got paired with one, but as said above QM uses MMR averaging. It completely disregards stats like KDA ratio. So, for example, to get a 2120 rated game going, it can match a few 1400s who have an average KDA of 1,3 with some 2600s who have 6,5 (here the KDA ratio being irrelevant for matchmaking purposes).

Which will frustrate both types of players and I personally don’t agree with this kind of programming, but it is what it is. That’s how HotS has always worked.

I suspect it’s necessary to use this bad system to get games going without a big population of players, otherwise both the 1400 group and the 2600 group would be waiting even longer than they do now in que, and they’d give up on playing HotS.

The only mode with any kind of strictness to matchmaking rules is Storm League - but even this mode on small servers has relaxed rules now thanks to low population - Bronzes can play together with GM’s if there aren’t enough people online to get a game going after 10 minutes.

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Gonna let you in on a secret: the world is filled with people that don’t know things. Because they don’t know things, they don’t know how to look for, and react to particular events.

Some people are children, some people have development issues, or have health or stability problems in their lives and do mundane things like “play video games”.

In your current ‘frustration’ you have not indicated the mode at hand: ARAM does not have match making so if you’re playing in that mode, then it doesn’t matter what their stats are going to be.

Similarly, you’re posting on a low-post grey account that was recently made, so if you’re smurfing/new then your mmr isn’t going to be as high without very many games played, so you’d be prone to getting matched with accounts that have a dropped mmr – assuming you’re posting from a game screencap and not a thirdparty parser, as that has issues of it’s own.

Neglecting particulars indicates what you don’t know, so it can be arguably stated that your performance is similarly lacking, and this can be just another case of someone looking for something to blame. :man_shrugging:

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You think 52% is what “good” players have? Ha.

39 and 52% being in the same QM game is obviously absolutely fine, its QM. If you want to see higher quality players then play high dia / masters tier in ranked.

QM is a clown fiesta mode, which is the right mode if all you want is to play a specific hero and meme around, but crying about a single opponent in a single QM game is rather silly.

I don’t think anybody was particularly wondering why the game is dead.

But it’s certainly not because of people whining that the matchmaker doesn’t let them win every time (or the standard variations on the theme: I’m matched with potatoes, I’m being held back because of poor early games, etc.). The number of posts that feature people convinced that the game is out to get them specifically is actually pretty constant regardless of title, so that’s not actually the problem.

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It’s unfortunate when this happens. But the sad truth is that at the extreme bands of MMR, there aren’t a lot of players of that quality. And in a game that already has few players, believing that you’ll consistently find enough players in that MMR at the same time to form a game is shortsighted at best.

You have to put those players somewhere, or else they’re just searching forever for games.

Most people just want to play with people that are as good as themself. They dont want to be the only one with a brain on a troll team with 30% winrate and 1.5 kda.

Those people are always the first to leave the game when its no longer fun for themself. You cant carry a troll team unless you lucky that the trolls actually listen to you and dont mess around like most of them do.

There will come a day when good players will say enough is enough I dont want this anymore. Its pointless to play a game where the only good players keeps being matched with 30% winrate trolls that dont have a clue and spam ping you for not saving him while all your lanes gets destoryed.

Let the trolls play againts eachother and let the players with a brain do the same. Mentor system is pointless and only purpose is to throw all the responsibility on the highest mmr player and then the highet mmr player the day after gets suspended for distrubtive behavior cause a troll got triggered that he did not heal him while he dived 1v4.

Good players will run into alot of walls in this game. Only qustion is how many times they want to experince that before they quit.

Bad players dont want to learn the game and trolls just want to have fun on other players bill. Thats how most of this game is now. So I dont blame people for leaving it as it is now. No one are defending lanes or taking camps to depush lanes. Only ARAM to death and then blame the healer/tank for losing.

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Okay, now I’m offended!

My SL winrate this season is below 39%. Last 6 matches 1:5. (Rest is QM.)
I also had a 0-1-9 match on a stellar hero. That’s a KDA of 0.11.

Not offended, just kidding. :slight_smile:

Winrate isn’t really useful but it should translate into MMR. Lifetime 39% sounds awful from all angles, but a seasonal one could just mean a bit of bad luck and an imminent rebounce potential. Imagine Fan or Grubby magically dropping to bronze, I would definitely want them as teammates.

As for the attitude of said player, sorry for your loss.

ps.: MMR averaging sometimes feels more like a feature than a last ditch effort. It can break streaks by offering a different environment that allows you to shine. Of course, same to the enemies so it’s a coin toss. Still.

I mean, just think about my situation. My QM MMR isn’t stellar but well above SL. I have 50% winrate +2 wins. Put aside for a second why my SL performance is low (playing my worst heroes). So even though I’m Silver 5, it could make sense to randomly put me into a Gold 3-5 match. I might even enjoy it and perform. I even had a phase like that where I’d win plat matches and lose silver matches in QM, very clearly. So randomness like that may even be nice. Same about MM going haywire and assigning me into a full Bronze 5 match. Hey man, go and stomp them - or if you can’t, you fully deserve the loss!

Lifetime winrate give little info about how good people are since most players plays different heores that they are either average/good/bad with. He could be bad/average with healers/tank and have 80% winrate on a melee hero he spend time and energy learning from scratch.

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There is truth in that but I hardly ever encounter anyone outside the 45-55% winrate band. Per hero, sure; every Azmodan main is at least 65%, while other heroes may not click.

But as you say it translates into MMR so it means that your skill is a bit on the extreme. For high ranks, they are fewer and MM often has to favor them. But the other end of the spectrum is supposedly more populated, so you should have a real impact to maintain such a (low) winrate - with an MMR well below pretty much everyone else.

Example… For the last four months or so I’m playing random heroes in QM and only to first loss. Not the purple man, I have a script. 88 heroes (90 minus Cho’Gall), one roll a day, that’s not much practice. My MMR did drop a little, but I still maintain the 50%. Also, I have a lifetime 49.5% or so. Admittedly, I get stomped badly sometimes.

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How do you accomplish that? You are living in a fantasy to believe you can magically snap your fingers that these players can only play against each other. Your perspective is also incredibly binary. Some people are also just really bad without being intentional trolls. There’s a broad range of skill levels, and like you said, even of different roles. You’re essentially advocating for a ghetto so you can place “those” people in, and even if the population were healthier, wouldn’t really be feasible. It’s frankly a naive and poorly thought solution.

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Thats is also why you got a player mmr and normal mmr on Heroes Profile.

Your mmr on your best heroes will most likely be higher then your account mmr.

Like my account mmr is 2700 and my best played hero got 2800 mmr.

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Im veteran 3000+ ranked game and mm pairing me with 0 rank play potato… This is HOTS :nauseated_face: :face_vomiting:

my KDA is going to be very different between characters like TLV where you rarely if ever get kills until post-16 (I think I have a KDA of 2.5??? I honestly don’t remember and this account is haha perma’d), where as my Valla has like 14 KDA, because I only play her in QM against bad players to get quests done quick

Doesn’t mean I’m better at valla than at TLV, just that the role is different.

Matchmaking has nothing to do with winrate.

It doesn’t matter, how you do in the current format because the ladder is rule by ever printing account creation bots, linked to name generator, linked to ever running bots ladder, if enough people keep pushing them out of ladder there might be fair match, right now it’s ban and get out of scheme, if you report any one bot, then they don’t like you and they don’t like you to win either, pretty much only way they let you win is joining VPN, in which case they take your internet bill and zip it and VPN is verified internet bill payer, and you are not, if you keep banning them, they have some sort of explaination to public while cheat to win in a game, keep reporting them more they dislike you. But to them(especially starcraft 1,2) is like keep putting your salted hand against would, let me cure you, let me cure your wound, they keep exploding on public.

This post went full NWO conspiracy pretty fast :thinking:

They would really do all that work and effort for a legacy game with no active developers left?
All that just to make you (you, personally) lose some matches?

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It’s dead for good reasons.

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