Zephyr and Hearthstone's fake RNG

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Does anyone else think that the new Zephyr card might expose what people have been saying for years about hearthstone’s RNG? That it’s not real RNG and some outcomes are more favorable than others.

A card like Zephyr needs some pre-existing AI behind it. They wouldn’t have put this much resources into a single card. What i think is that it highlights that the RNG in the game might actually be rigged.

The game has made a reputation of quirky/funny/lucky moments. But if you look at the stats those happen way too often to be “lucky”. i feel like Blizzard has been tweaking with the RNG behind the scenes and cards like Zephyr reveals what the AI actually does.

Who didn’t have those games where they won or lose based on extremely low chances but you realized those happen actually quite often. Too often to be really random.

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Only people who desperately need to have their poor performance explained by something outside their own skill.

EDIT: to be fair, it’s also possible that they just don’t understand what “random” means. There’s always that.

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Exactly this is the case. Its not an rng card. Ther is an explanation video if i remember right it was one with kibler

go to 31 Min 30 Sec

Just fro you:

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False necessitation.

Look at how much work shudderwock is, has been and will continue to be. Your assertion lacks a reason at all

False. You’ve never looked at any stats so don’t pretend you have and assume they support your tin foil theory. They don’t.

Do you sell homeopathic sleep remedies too? This is their #1 favorite and entirely meritless source of ‘proof’ — a sentence presupposing validation because if you don’t agree it just means you haven’t ‘realized’ it yet.

Let me know when you realize you are a unicorn.

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With Zephyr, there is no such thing as “luck”.

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I laughed at the part where you think Zephyrs uses AI :laughing:.

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Fingeknittr pretty much hit it on the head. True, Zephyr represents the development of an AI capable of determining some cards that are valuable in certain situations, but that doesn’t mean Blizzard has had a game-wide version of that system implemented for the past several years.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If artificial rigging is obvious enough to be seen by the naked eye on a game-by-game basis, then it should be a cakewalk to do any sort of statistical analysis proving its existence. Until this is done it’s far more believable that the people who complain about “rigging” are just experiencing bias that highlights negative experiences, while also lacking the knowledge of statistics that would lead them to another conclusion.

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:slight_smile: must be 20 characters

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To test your theory a little bit I booted. up a game and got

Mech Hunter Dr as an opponent.

Dropped Galvanizer on 2. Yeah that’s about right. Dropped the 3/2 bot summon 2 goblin bombs yeah thats about 100% accurate.

I actually got a taunt out but then they played

Turn 4 Zilliax. Zilliax was on 4 vs 5 cause of Galvanizer. So thats still 100% accurate.

Can you all guess the rest of the plays until turn 7 GG?

Yep the Missile Launcher
Yep Wargear
Yep Leroy Jenkins.

Anyone else ever see a pattern unfold like this playing against this very same deck?

Or Zilliax being dropped in the early game all the time? Never at the end of the deck and I don’t think I have ever seen it in the second half (past 15 into the deck).

Leroy Jenkins dropped regularly between turns 5 - 8?

tested one more

Last Season Broken Token Druid as an Opponent

Summon 2 1/2 dryads - yep thats about right
Use 2 Wrath however. you please, Yep, about right for cards in first 5 off the top.
Create a Summon Charge or Taunt. I have him on the board so
Whispering Woods
Twinspell on 7
The new Flame Secret cleared those thank you mage BUT
Turn 8 make 5 2/3 treants which is about right and since I am to cast 25 spells I am just casting spells and most likely going to lose to

The sequence.

Take out 2 Treants BUT

Yep more Twinspelling and not even halfway through the Druid deck. Now the Druid has three 4 attack minions and my board is cleared.

Druid also Ferocious howled to even the damage needed to win. So now back to even boards but Druid now casts Soul of Forest.

Druid now owns the board again and here we are with the usual broken token scenario. Can you keep wiping the board before the Druid gets his lethal turn?

Not with this deck I can’t.

And here it comes 16 cards into the deck
Power of the Wild and Savage Roar x 2 GG.

So pretty common game vs Token Druid.

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