Remember how before release of Zephrys everyone said that it would be impossible to create an algorithm that can actually read the game and give you the ‘perfect’ cards to counter your opponent? Like making you draw an Ooze as soon your opponent equips a weapon or finding a damage card for a lethal when you opponent is low enough?
Well, now we see that it is completely possible and not science fiction.
Not saying they are rigging the game but they could if they wanted to. Just makes you think.
Sure, as long as the game has no cards with special card text. And the game only had Basic and Classic cards. And the “rigging” could break down any time they modified or added new cards.
If you think Zephrys proves Blizzard could rig the game, you clearly haven’t played Zephrys enough to see all the ways it goes wrong. It’s a very good card, but it has limitations and flaws, and the one thing it demonstrates is that a complex game-rigging system would a) quickly be identified by the playerbase (just as the most common Zephrys interactions were identified soon after it was released) and b) break down often any time there are changes to the game (which has happened to Zephrys)
TLDR: Zephrys doesn’t prove the game could be rigged, it proves just how difficult it would be to rig.
Zephyrs is pure cheating. And they said Baku and Grey were wrong. lol
well there are only some many possible outcomes.
though i do have to say when i was trying to play rogue i had this Pharaoh Cat.
when i had 3 specific cards in my muligan in a set order and the most right was the Cat it always gave me the same card.
But that has only happened 2 times and i rarely play rogue so…might be conincidense.
No. Just no. Don’t change what people said to fit your narrative.
People weren’t saying creating that algorithm wasn’t possible (yeah, I know you’re going to find some uninformed posts saying so, but that’s really not what the majority with a clue said), they were and are saying that with the incredible amount of analysis conducted on this game for deck optimisation purpose, if such and algorithm was in place it would have been detected already.
Yes, and yes. It was literaly one of the main arguments used. ‘Hur, dur, I’m a programmer and I can say that it would be impossible.’ It was just added: ‘But even if they could create such algorithm it could easily be detected’ - that I can agree with.
Who said that? Wait it doesn’t matter.
You “citing” dumb people saying dumb things doesn’t make your stupid point any more relevant.
Zephrys is not perfect, but it proves that it is completely possible with enough work put into it. I don’t see any issues ‘expanding’ the card’s range to other expansions than just classic and basic sets - it would take some effort of course.
I also don’t understand what you mean by ‘cards with special text’. Zephyr already offers silences, secret eaters, weapon breakers so it can read card text.
It could, depending on how the algorithm works, also massively expand the computing power required to make the card work. Search function efficiencies don’t have to scale linearly with the population size being searched.
But yeah, I think Zephyr shows it would theoretically it would be possible to “heart of the cards” card draw if they decided to do so.
Which was true before Zephrys came around. So it doesn’t really change two of the major issues with the “tHe GaMe iS rIgGeD” argument: 1) the effort required would be much greater than whatever benefit it’s supposed to provide and 2) given the massive amount of third-party data collection going on, any rigging would be detected almost immediately by people outside of Blizzard.
But it’s not just the effort of adding more cards that’s the issue (although it’s a big one). It’s the fact that Zephrys actually breaks and stops considering valid possibilities when its available card pool is affected. So you would also be exponentially increasing the number of potential bugs and issues, which (again) would further break down/possibly expose this “rigging.”
Except it can’t. It knows what secrets/weapons are, and had to be specifically programmed to know what Doomsayer does, because originally it just assumed it was a vanilla 0/7 minion and therefore wouldn’t offer things like Shadow Word: Pain. Zephrys knows the different types of cards in the game, but it can’t read the special text in the cards, so as far as Zephrys is concerned, Armored Goon and Boulderfist Ogre are both 6/7 minions.
It would not be a very robust search even if every card in the game was searched front to back honestly… and it would make no sense to do that anyway. The card to my understanding assesses the current board state, then routes through different switch statements to determine the best 3 categories of cards to offer, then somehow (Randomly or selectively i dont know) picks the best options from those chosen categories.
The most taxing part of the search would be within the individual categories, which would be negligible computing power.
Also, Hearthstone isn’t rigged and the Earth is Round. (For anyone who needed to hear it)
It would be awesome to see the Zephyrs source code honestly. It’s quite an awesome piece of code I’m sure.
Zephrys isn’t always smart. I needed to silence my opponent’s deathrattle minion (Convincing Infiltrator with Grave Rune), so I played Zephrys and had 0 mana remaining. He did not offer me Silence.
i guess you missed all the" zephrys didnt give me the card i needed for lethal threads "
Zephrys is a pretty bad proof-of-concept for an all-encompassing algorithm that can inspect every board state and evaluate ever card’s worth inside an individual boardstate. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve landed a T4 Zeph against a Brann/Flamewaker + vanilla 2/2 and been given absolute garbage (I’m talking Kul Tiran Chaplain/Temple Enforcer/Backstab. It was bad), and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
Saying Zeph is proof that Blizz is capable of rigging on the scale that many people here suggest is tantamount to saying that a paper airplane is proof that a legitimate airplane could work. Sure, some of the principles line up, but there’s a huge difference between the two that you have to consider.
I’ve noticed that outside of a “multiple taunts in the way of lethal” scenario, Zephrys rarely offers silence (and in that case, it offers Mass Dispel if you have the Mana). I don’t know if it’s because I don’t know how to force silence to pop, or because the coded scenarios where silence is offered are very limited.
I remember a game where Kibler was facing a guy with 3 or 4 secrets. Didn’t get flare from Zeph.
I think if anything this is part of the proof there’s no way the game is rigged on this level. Because there’s just too many cases of failure on Zephyr’s part.
If the game was rigged it would have to be something like “DQA has a 20% chance to be in a discover effect or random effect and every other dragon has like 2%” or something.
I hate Zephyrys. The card never should have been invented imo, and stands as yet more glaring evidence that the game’s matching and draw is more than what players on here claim it is
mmm yes, just like the cordyceps fungus is evidence that the world is controlled by a society of human-mushroom hybrids. Yes, that sounds about right >.>