You CHOOSE to play meta

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I see people post pretty periodically how meta decks make the game boring. I do understand that sentiment a little. But, no one is forcing YOU to play meta. The past 2 climbs to legend and multiple other times in the past year I have played home brews I made as meta breakers. Each time was a fairly easy climb.

Want to have fun? Look at the meta like a puzzle. See what is being played the most and identify the weaknesses. On day of Un’goro release I knew murloc paladin and Loh Druid were going to be everywhere. I homebrewed an elemental Shaman deck and hit legend very quickly.

Learning how to counter the meta and deck build will make you a better player. Also, beating meta decks with homebrews always feels amazing.

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I just wanna point out to the related paradox

People will cry about even just facing meta decks all the time. Even when they put aside their own urge to play the strongest possible deck which they can make themselves play (which, btw, is a perfectly natural one, if you didn’t have it there would probably be something wrong with you), they still simply just hate facing al lthe same decks all the time.

Paradoxically, those same people, if they found themselves in a situation where everyy game they play against a new deck, they’d be first to quit, because facing a novel meta every day requires multiple adaptations and changes in a DAY, let alone a month

And those people can’t even drop a 30% winrate deck!

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I really dislike a lot of the decks used frequently in the meta right now, hence why I’ve been testing builds in casual, not much different there than standard as you frequently see the same kind of decks there.

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I really didn’t dislike any decks on my day of release climb. My elemental deck was hard farming the paladins and the druids super hard. Also, if you want to test an anti-meta deck and make sure it works, you need to see the same decks many times for accurate data. There is nothing I hate more than streamers posting their “80% win rate meta killer amazing deck!” and their data is going 4-1.

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And that same deck they created becomes meta, that’s the drawback of showing off what you made, via streaming or just posting it somewhere, it becomes used by others, gets fine tuned and next you know everyone is using it

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Good. Then I can work on building something even better. That’s how TCGs have been since forever.

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B-but…that’s boring!

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You sure it’s a paradox? I fail to see the deeper truth here.
Players like to win, and feel as though they did it due to their own ingenuity and skill, and when they don’t, they complain. That’s the way I see it anyhow, and for me that is less a paradox and more just a rather depressing fact about the human condition:)

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Paradoxical is the part where they only THINK they would want the game to be less stale and consist of less netdecks, because that would mean it’s constantly changing and what works changes too often for 1 same strategy to be viable

In other words, they would be forced to build quality homebrews as a reaction to changes in the meta, all the time, which is paradoxical because if they could build just 1 decent one, it would be good enough to become meta, hence, exactly what they’re complaining about.

It’s a lose/lose situation. It’s impossible.

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Use the terminology more accurately. The meta is the general environment. You’re thinking of netdecks.

I think the full phrase is “the meta netdecks”, which is why the misnomer just “meta deck” stuck.

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I personally would welcome if it changed constantly, then skill really would be a factor. Sure it takes some skill to pilot a deck that someone else made, but the real skill is building and piloting your own.

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Yes, I have suggested this many times. Unlike majority of the people (in general, not just here), I am perfectly aligned when it comes to what I want and how I act. I want chaos and disbalance, because that’s how we get to that point. And I want that point, because it takes me too long to pick up new stuff and adapt, so the only way to take my weakness and turn it into a strength is if “picking up new stuff and adapting” becomes a non-option because it’s too slow.

In such times, picking ANYTHING up and simply sticking to it and changing things 1 by 1 will sooner or later end up being the optimal strategy (this is also not quite easy to understand, but simply follow the logic and see where it brings us):

If I remain using the same strategy while the meta around me changes on a daily basis, sooner or later a meta weak to my strategy will happen. I will then shine, and use the knowledge I got from there and then as a compass, a feedback showing me the direction in which I’m supposed to optimize.

That way, I could turn my weakness into a strength. But does the same logic work on everyone else? Are we really all the same? Na-ah.

So at least I always tell people what they think they want isn’t what they really want. I would appreciate if people did that for me, but not because they wanna gaslight me, but because it’s clear that I’m gaslighting myself and they wanna help me.

Btw, this has been proven in psychology. People really do not know what they really want, it’s a fact. And it’s more or less a tautology, because if they knew what they wanted, they wouldn’t want it anymore, because as soon as we get what we want, we want something else. Being a tautology means it doesn’t require proof, but for people not well versed in logic, proof is acceptable, so there you have it.

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fair enough, and well said:)

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And with it being so stale what stops you from building good decks now?

The answer is nothing. The person thinking this is bad can’t build those decks anyway.

There are multiple paths to become a deckbuilder capable of getting there but none of then pass by “blizzard change the game plz” whinning".

You can and should whine about a lot of things but the mere existence of metagame itself in any game is not one of then.

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Many people either do not have the time or don’t want to invest the time it takes to learn how to be a good deck builder. It is a skill that takes serious time to build up.

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And those people should stop whinning about metagame existing.

In fact they are only bored of playing the same decks and blame then but in a always changing world they would have their asses kick so hard i doubt even 20% would continue to play.

And if that isn’t the case then they don’t need change coming blizzard and can build a good deck NOW.

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I’m not the one “whining” about the meta, someone boasting how good they are with a meta deck doesn’t prove skill,you’re using a deck and strategy someone else came up with, and that’s fine and all, but bashing other players over skill is laughable when you’re copying another deck and strategy

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It actually does.

This game isn’t only deckbuilding and as someone who builds decks i would not be better than anyone here if i ignored that between people playing the exact same deck there are still varying degrees on skill.
Piloting a deck is also a skill.

The important in the end of the day isn’t the path you take but the final result. As someone who build decks i choose this path at my own free will and not gonna push the weigth of my decisions into others who decided for other approach.

In fact i kinda have decent amount of disgust for deckbuilders who do that because they are straight up admmiting they do not believe in their own capacity of doing something good and are only here to waste other peoples time.
There isn’t anything fun into a loser who don’t learn anything in the process. Anyone pretending otherwise is just a toxic positivist.

As a constructive criticism:
You are better off stop playing pretend to be a deckbuilder and going to play a metadeck like anyone else until you atleast learn the fundamentals.
It will turn you into a better deckbuilder when you decide to return and if you don’t then good riddance.

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As a yugioh player people need to realize they can just play off meta. Harpies haven’t been meta in Yugioh in years I still play them.

Want to play quest rogue despite it being crap go for it. It’s an impossibly to lose every single game.

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as a non-masochist player i do not enjoy losing 3 out of 4 games without a chance for a win anyways yk. i dont mind playing offmeta but this isnt the case, thats js straight up crap. insta concede vs some classes feels like a well game design ngl

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