Wild is on thin ice

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In 5-10 minutes of youtube we can see Wild’s in trouble for the near future. i feel bad for everyone else who plays wild / has invested in it.

This is wild…
Togg Priest (Auctioneer Bloodweaver).
Togg Druid (Celestial UI/OG). Why play beasts or giants when Togg wins it?
Aggro trying to do something about it, and seems too slow w/o tower.
Interaction trying to do something about it.
Mill Rogue with Scabbs early for ramp, trying to interact.
“Small” Priest playing Watch Tower and ressing that, trying to interact.

What disrupts Togg Priest / Druid?
Far Watch Tower. This one works…if it sticks.
Altar of Flames. it’s a chance, at best.
Gnome. A weaker Altar of Flames, great addition to the idea.
Mill. Yea, Scabbs Coldlight Rogue pogs these decks if you mulligan Scabbs.
Dirty Rat early. Great vs Togg, bad vs Giants or Auctioneer.
Counterspell. Way too easy to test for.
Explosive Runes. Doesn’t affect battlecries or both copies of priests threats.
Loatheb. Too slow.
Nerubians. Ineffective.
Mischief Maker. Good luck hitting a key card.
Birds / Weasels. Too slow.
Oh My Yogg. Too easy to test for.
The Rogue Secret. Doubt this hits just Togg.
Shadowjeweler. Have to draw Jeweler early and get disruption…
Mindrender. No, these decks play out Togg the turn they draw into them.
Cheating out an EoT minion or taunt. 2 years ago that worked.

Wild should have Magic’s black card “Your opponent discards a minion of their choice…right now” things like that in this format. Maybe Magic had better disruption to like…interact…with hands. Maybe Magic knew something in 1994 that 2021 Wild is not thinking about. Wild is trading your time for your opponent’s combo deck…and that’s not cool. This is like Y2K but scarier. Y2k was when the world was supposed to end in 00 bc the PC’s clocks reset to double 0’s. I’ll leave it at that. I’d rather go shopping than watch Wild highlights. Or play with my dollset in the basement (in the dark).

Any wild ppl out there feel free to talk about whatever.
Thanks.

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Wasn’t it quest rogue 5 minutes ago?

Make up your mind lol.

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Still Renolocking like it was 2016 again, though it has updated a lot.

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Pre new cards yes it was Quest Rogue…
new cards means new situations to talk about ya?
Going shopping, i need some distressed jeans…lol

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Maybe I have yet to run into what you are talking about, but I played Wild Secret mage and I did just fine. Won three in a row pretty fast, and then immigrated over to Standard to check out the Wildfire deck.

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Check Dane’s YT.
Watch last 2 decks.
Think about how interaction hangs out with that?

Like i said, if i were playing id go small priest ressing watch towers, maybe try out altar but there’s not enough of that…so maybe mill rogue but its all about scabbs for speed so…small priest would be my pick right now, and i mean that bc those 2 decks are going to / already have cracked the ice.

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So its not Darkglare, Secret Mage, and Raza anymore? Metas rotating means healthy doesn’t it?

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For sure, if what it’s rotating too is a trading card game. That did not happen.
Those 3 decks at least had cards doing things into each other.
Togg Druid and Togg Priest are less interactable than those 3 decks, and faster.

Uninteractive decks like these 2 Togg decks, are different.
The pt of the post is to find out / talk about / see if there’s ways to interact w from-hand win combos. Imo, these 2 combo decks handle aggro (they have armor, or free heal), tons of early draw, don’t need the board except a placeholder, have many things to break counterspell, get through ice block, and are very fast, like turn 4ish fast. They’re good aggro through the air. They are vulnearble for sure to mill with blazing fast start, watch tower, discard, and the luckiest rat you’ve ever seen. That’s all i can think of. Dilution is too slow, like birds. And w/o a lucky Watch Tower or Discard i think aggro is out of luck.

I think mill rogue or watch tower res priest sound like the best counterdecks.

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Oh GODS i hate thoughtsieze(and that other one)

Folks complaining that hearthstone is expensive, consider that to be competitive in MTG you need to spend $80 on playsets of these two cards alone😂 Heck, I remember a death’ s shadow deck was like $1800

Okay, that was COMPLETELY besides the point, I am aware. Yeah, I am completely in favor of more hand disruption in HS lol

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Where talking about tog waggle right? The deck swap thing?
What actually changed for that card to be popular? Haven’t played much.

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BLIZZ don’t give a sh*t about Wild. FACT

So I guess just quit the game

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So am I the only one seeing more pirate warrior then anything?

Saw 3 or 4 something or other druids today, but relying on nothing but a turn 6 spreading plague to survive is just to slow for wild and they got trashed.

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So Druid got Celestial. That lets them play a bunch of 1 cost draw, and i mean the whole deck, just like the old Kael Druids. As a bonus it blocks your opponent out from Ransom, which Azalina already does, it’s just a flex on that for fun, the real benefit is it lets Druds draw their whole deck, also known as your lethal, and then swap.

Priest’s deck is a pre expansion deck that probably now uses 0 cost heal from the new expansion, it free’s auctioneer togg azalina using Bloodweaver. Plays exactly like Togg druid, just has different vulnerabilities, which are few. These decks play just like Apprentice combo mage, either APM or Mozaki, but are way faster and have defense better than ice block.

Honestly, the 2 or 3 best counter decks i could think of (that disrupt, not try to out speed) would be small priest mill rogue w Scabbs and maybe disruption warlock. I think Shadowjewler is too untutorable to get going. Maybe you could play Mill Rogue with Shadowjeweler and Scabbs idk.

If i were playing right now id play small priest (watch tower spam) for sure, maybe add vargoth, and the goal is to summon as many Far Watch Towers as you can, and maybe include some type of spell burn if possible but not a minion. It would be slow, and Druid runs removal, the priest deck doesn’t. If you land a Watch Tower, and res like 3 or 5 of them, i mean both decks are sitting ducks. Mill Rogue with Scabbs (ramp) and a good draw of course would blow up both decks too. Both these decks especially rogue unless built for anti aggro (if that’s even possible) are severely vulnerable to aggro, unlike Togg Druid, Priest, and APM mage.

Another angle is to try and build off Altar of Flames but i think that archetype is too low on discarding cards it has Altar and Gnome that’s like it. Maybe add in a Mischief Makers. The goal is to swap / delete as many cards in their deck as fast as you can to try and disrupt Togg.

The prob is twofold these two togg decks are very good vs aggro, druid especially, armor, and also otk the game around turn 4 5 6 at the latest. OTK is not giants or beasts like some streamers are like randomly thinking is a good idea, its Togg. That’s bc streamers copy other streamers and one streamer thinks Giants on hour 1 it get spread around when the real otk is togg, and it’s funny to see these streamers like copy others and think that’s the deck.

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Umm, I wouldnt use a memer, showing highlights on YT, as an accurate representation of the meta.

Watch his VoD on Twitch and you will get a far better vision of what wild actually is atm.
Hint: not what you see on YT!

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Sure, explain how it’s a meme and not good?
Meme gets thrown around its a buzzword.
Need specifics to buy your argument.

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Watch his VoD o Twitch. All will be explained.

Making conclusions on a highlight reel from a memer is not a good method.

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Nah you could just explain it here, just like the last thread, i ask, you wont tell.

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His decks are not good enough to compete at the actual competitive level. He can barely break top 1k using them, thats meme territory (10k standard equivalent).

Your method is flawed, You have no clue what you are on about. Like always!

Here, watch this, and arrive at the same conclusion you got from the highlight reel know as YT:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/969999126

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Please stop with the hate
You do this to any thread i make.

Just bc a streamer plays a good deck doesn’t mean the deck is wack.
You know one can play hs for a long time and see a decks flow, you are not respecting that, or me, at all.

It’s the internet, there is no winning arguments, we all know this, so, best of luck, please leave me / this thread alone unless you want to contribute more than “watch this video, u suck” ok.

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Because they all lack any knowledge of the format. You havent even played recently, apparently, and are basing your opinion on a HIGHLIGHT REEL

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/969999126

Watch it ALL and arrive at the same conclusion in your OP.

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