I figured this would be an easy slot in the thief priest archtype and played him and managed to guess two of my opponent’s cards but before being unable to guess which of the three cards that are obviously in their deck was still in. I was truly hoping that I would at least get two bad cards for the trouble but nope.
Spider tanked.
Was this gimmicky neutral card somehow overpowered in testing the other way? Was a card that has a high chance to be a spider tank or a low chance to give you three (likely) bad cards really found to be better than a card that had a moderate chance to give you two of your opponent’s cards that you don’t have a say in?
Please Blizz, make this d i a m o n d card actually usable.
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yea i also think that is just really really bad design here. i just assumed he´d give you 3 guesses and you get everyone you get right.
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You don’t get brownie points for almost solving the murder.
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He’s very tough to get all 3 guesses right, but the one time I did is my only win with thief priest. You reduce those cards and you just win. It would be nice if you can go 2 of 3 and get your correct guesses.
Because of the board game Clue.
I know it’s a boomer meme, but let us have this one.
Have what exactly? A card never see any sort of real use in its entire lifespan? I respect your nostalgia, I do. Im old as well. But of all the reasons Ive ever heard for a card not to be buffed those are some of most absurd.
If its really that important just imagine the solved cards as gathered evidence.
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you really not just win cause you guess the random cards well it could easly been garbage cards
it wont be the first, nor the last, meme legendary.
at least this one does have apotential big highroll (good stats+ “draw” 3 if you guess).
there have been WAY worse legendaries than that…
as for why there need to be bad cards in card games, these articles from lead Magic the gathering designer are very nicely written. You can agree/disagree with what he says ofc, but it gives a nice perspective on card game design:
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/when-cards-go-bad-2002-01-28
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/when-cards-go-bad-revisited-2012-10-22
yea, but does it have to be one of the theme-cards of the expansion? also the tavern pass benefit. it really seems like a very unintentional sub-par card.
edit: just compare the last 4:
- samuro still see´s play, very powerfull card
- varian, a little more specific, but also still see´s play in some decks
- korrak…can argue it´s a tad more on the meme side, but it´s not an utter joke aswell
- finley - just a great card
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well, he is 100% on theme though.
so the “theme” is not the issue, the perceived power is.
I believe that it is a good thing that the “themed” card is one of the weak cards personally, because that alone increases the play rate of the card.
If it was both a forgettable card AND a weak card, its reason of existance would be even lower.
At least this way, it will see some play by the players that want to have an interesting themed card, even if it’s weak, in their deck.
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as far as him being in the bundle. i cannot commend since i dont spend on the game.
it is a terrible card I crafted it and refunded it.
in order to create options it looks at your opponent deck and choses card from there.
What exactly is theme here? Was Sherlock Holmes known for being doing absolutely nothing the VAST majority of the time? The card wasnt exactly ever in danger of running away with the meta, so the only reason to keep the card in this state is because it makes sense in your head?
No matter the flavor, paying 3 mana to drop a flagship legendary for the set and it do absolutely nothing a lot of the time is an actually awful feeling in this game. Its on thing to play into a counterspell, or mutanus a hand with no minions…but to whiff completely or maybe end up with three RANDOM cards from your opponents deck? And we’re worried about having 1-2 RANDOM cards from from the opponents deck being somehow more pivotal?
Fun and flavorful cards can be useful. In any possible adjustment or incarnation this card does not risk affecting the meta in any significant way so there really isnt a reason for the two themes and classes that could use it to be cheated out of a legendary.
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The Theme is a combination of Sherlock Holmes and Cluedo. In Cluedo you only win, if you get all 3 clues right. If you get 2 right you lose.
Yes they could buff it, but that may take away from the theme, they want to go with. And it could be a card with a high skillcheck. I would like to see how often legend player guess right compared to others.
the theme is murder mystery and cluedo.
the card captures that perfectly.
you may not like that it’s weak, but you can’t fault the theme of the card: find the clues get the cards.
Once more, not every card needs to be good, and if a card is not good, then it’s better to be a flavorful one, because that means that the card still has a place in the game.
Not every card needs to be competitive to be playable.
For the same reason meme decks exist, fun but not strong cards need to exist.
High legend players stopped trying to use when they figured out the card was a spider tank with entrance music. This was back in the theorycraft, the literal first chance they had.
Even now Meati was warning his viewers away from the card because nobody should ever play a card that does nothing most of the time.
What other card does this that you find so flavorful and memorable? What exactly is fun about a card that whiffs constantly? The discovers seem to all be drawn from the actual deck so guessing is even less likely.
Yeah a real flavor win. Just like Moorabi.
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everything you said has everything to do with strength and absolutely nothing to do with theme and flavor.
a card game cannot have every card being competitive. That’s impossible AND unwanted. Some cards need to appeal to other people apart from the competitive scene.
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I think we have very different definitions of competitive. The card in its current state has no place in any deck, it isnt playable. Im not looking for Murloc Holmes to become the next Drek’Thar but there are most certainly adjustments that can be made that are still flavorful. To me Sherlock Holmes wasnt known for being useless and underwhelming constantly so Id find it fairly flavorful if I could not throw every single game trying to use it.
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i disagree.
for the same reason that i play meme decks, with cards that you will not see in any competitive deck, i can see him in similar decks.
As far as sherlock holmes comparison, it is you who are making the guesses, not the card, so maybe it’s you who isnt a sherolock holmes.
The flavor of murder mystery and cluedo is captured perfectly. And it is a good meme card. That’s all.
Again: it is not only impossible, but also unwanted, for every card to be competitive.
at least i can be used to search for clues on when to play theotar
Murloc Holmes is the Gigachad play for only expert hearthstone gamers obviously.