There are people who feel the need to immediately censure any ideas that could cause people to think Hearthstone isn’t as “fair” as we might like. To those people with their fingers at the ready, planning their clever reply to this post…
Everyone else I ask this, do you think the devs have weighted the randomness of certain powerful cards as it relates to drawing the card out of your deck?
They obviously are able to do this. It has even been hinted at during a previous Blizzcon.
I am not accusing anyone of anything, just curious if other players have noticed patterns or collected data.
Thanks.
I only ever did a serious calculation on Prince-2, assuming hard Mulligan for it what the odds of playing it by 2.
The final number seemed close to HSR’s data (3.2 avg turn played) but… I only ever did the data breakdown on that one card.
Is it possible? Of course
Do I notice strong pattern when I’m playing a deck? Not really tbh
Do my opponents? I doubt it but of course I remember the negatives more than positives in this regard.
Edit: Also the larger cost of a card the harder it’d be to find as draw odds obviously go up, especially for something like LPG and Boom pre-nerf where you could justify hard mulliganing for the card.
No, I do not believe there is any weighted randomness in Hearthstone. Something like that would be noticed by those that collect data from thousands of matches.
You are not making intelligent choices if you are looking for data to confirm your opinion; your opinion should be based ON data to begin with.
You can suspect, that’s fine.
But I implore you to parallel what you perceive as censorship with the rebuttal that flat earthers get every where they go.
It’s not censorship; it’s the dismissal of intellectually revolting choices to believe something without good reason. Like believing in Fairies. Or Santa.
You front load and presuppose the validity of your hypothesis by not having good reason to believe it in the first place.
IE one should never bother questioning “is One Direction a band of extraterrestrials because they can all sing?” Because it is based on an absurd and false premise.
Every single person who has claimed this, when asked for evidence, has provided none. Meanwhile, we have millions of publicly recorded games that have never shown the slightest hint of the rigging you claim.
Doesn’t take much to dismiss your claim as salty whining.
Bottom line? If you think the developers of a game you would play for entertainment are lying to you in order to make you lose, you should quit playing it.
only one of those two hold any relevance in this situation. Which is why the conversation is often shutdown quickly. People always bring plenty of the wrong one and none of the right one.
Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that Blizzard HAS altered randomness/variance so that, e.g., players are more likely to spend money on packs to improve their decks.
Isn’t this still “fair”? Like, the same rules still apply to all of us. Unless you think the function that determines your odds is like:
What are you disagreeing with? Asking for others experience before forming an opinion? Please work on your critical reading and thinking skills. Try to understand the post first before replying to it, especially if you feel the need to be negative.
If you are here to participate then do so.
We don’t appreciate conspiracies, which retroactively try and justify a presupposition, instead of coming to justifiable conclusions in the first place.
Data analysis has routinely been encouraged in the community, from the experiments with ‘always huffer’ to the nat pagle bug.
Peoples ‘perception’ of rigging is flawed by confirmation bias, poor understanding of probability, and an agenda to victimize themselves.
So to answer your OP directly since you are intent on avoiding discussion:
There are multiple third party apps that collect game play data. Because of high profile cards like keleseth, animal companion, and Barnes people have looked at their draw rate and compared it with the expected draw rate.
Because the same mana slots have similarities, we already know what the draw rates SHOULD be for all cards at any given point in the game.
Nothing has ever displayed any evidence of weighted draws.
You are making less sense by the post. You referred to your lack of critical reading skills as a “straw man.” You then said I “couldn’t even attempt to reply.” Which is it?
Was I so locked down by your logic that I could not reply to it? Or did I reply with a straw man argument to deflect your points?
No, I think I was forced to point out your obvious lack of critical reading skills, (which you have just admitted to), to help you understand you have made an irrelevant, albeit full of long words, post. Nothing you typed is pertinent to the original post.
Look, I am beginning to feel like I am talking to a child so you can have the last word as it’s not my place to raise you.