I think it’s time Team 5 takes a harder, longer look at the power of Leapfrogger. Frog comps have consistently been one of the strongest comps and honestly they’re so easy to assemble. The highest tier minion you need is Baron Rivendare – a tier 5 minion. The next highest tier minion you need would be Rattler, a tier 4 minion, and a handful of tier 2 (Leapfrogger, Sewer Rat) and tier 3 minions (Macaw & sometimes Rat Pack).
Looking at the strength of other comps, almost all of them rely solely on tier 6 minions: Mechs NEED Grease Bot; Quills (unless you’re George) really need Darkgaze Elder; Naga need Althissa and often also Orgazoa; Dragons need both Kalecgos and Nadina; Demons need Felwing.
Murlocs are a fringe case where you need Sefin – a 5 drop – but you need Sefin early and with a board that can spread around multiple poisons, which honestly is very difficult to now that it’s Avenge (4) instead of Avenge (3). Young Murk Eye is virtually unplayable after the nerf, so Brann + Murlocs aren’t a winning strategy anymore.
Dragons not only require multiple tier 6 minions, but Nadina is USELESS if you have no scaling, and Kalecgos is so slow that oftentimes you get knocked out in the process of getting your scaling active. Even when you do get a good Dragon game going, you’re flat out beat by Frog comp or Mechs if either of them get a decent enough game.
I really think it’s time for Leapfrogger to go; Frog Comps have been the easiest way to get top 4 and oftentimes top 1-2 considering you never have to tier past 5, and Baron can’t even be Zapped anymore because you have Uther in the game. It’s pretty frustrating to lose games because of a comp that requires virtually 0 skill to compile, has virtually 0 counterplay once Uther is acquired, and all of the pieces can be assembled from tier 4 onwards.
Every other major comp requires 1-2 tier 6 minions to win.
A good mech exodia or pirate scam will wipe the floor with frogs. Naga and quill boar beats it frequently unless it’s fully online with trip baron and reborns.
It’s especially easy to beat when noobs put the birds before the frogs.
Frogs are kinda fun ngl, even to go against. Hard to stay mad against those cute lil frogs dancing all over the whole enemy team. Main problem I guess is the rat, having the taunt deathrattle is a bit of a nightmare and makes it so much harder to take out the Baron before it gets too out of control
WHy wouldnt the birds be placed before the frogs? every order Ive ever seen has gone Bird, frog, X, Y, Z, Baron. The variables are usually the Rat, or the Wolf, or the bear, or any other beasts (amalgam/fish). Reborning almost all of them if possible. Really fun when playing as Lich King and can reborn the Baron. I fail to understand the benefit of the bird being placed after the frog. The whole point of the bird is to get the frog deathrattles to spread around prior to losing them so that there are more of them to keep spreading around as the round goes. Should you use them afterwards you would get way less procs out of the deathrattles. What am I missing because Im genuinely curious.
Grease Bot got removed homie, mech’s don’t need something that got removed. Grease Bot was being used by literally everyone that had a shield and was way OP.
Also, Quilboar says LOL, Dragons LOL HARDER. With just leapfrogs and a single Baron you almost probably will not win, even if you triple the baron you’ll be hard pressed to win without at least a single 6* wolf. So idk what this is about.
Dragons, Tarecgosa is a 3* and can destroy without the 4* stat dragon but that’s as high as she needs to become almost unstoppable. Who even uses the 6* dragon that isn’t shields?
Quilboar, never actually have to get any of their 6*s as long as they can get Agamaggan and he doesn’t even need to be tripled.
The easy to assemble beast decks are literally always being taken by 2-3 other people so they really aren’t that easy unless you’re the only 1 playing them and that’s just silly.
I find that build too rng dependant.
You don’t find baron? You probably lose
Your baron gets sniped by the windfury minion? You lost
Your macaw missed the frog? Already in a bad spot
I find it also very vulnerable to many strategies: cleave already wipes half of the board, same for a golden windfury elemental.
I don’t think that needing a specific tier 6 unit should be a requirement for a build to work; in fact I think it would be better if more builds where versatile so you can still work without a specific unit (like elementals, which can work without rag or nomi, even if they are strong picks)
People tend to have one of their leapfroggers attack first because then if it lands on a deathrattle minion, the bird would trigger both the leapfrogger deathrattle and the deathrattle of that minion. It’s a little more hardball but it definitely has a good payoff - I’ve seen many times in Kripp vids where it pays off massively and you see rats with stats in the hundreds
You’re overstating how good they are. I hardly ever play or see them winning lobbies in higher brackets. Games end too fast and they are too fragile without a baron.
You don’t see them often because most people don’t push them unless they get a Baron early. I don’t think I’ve seen a higher bracket player seriously push Frogs unless they also had a Baron, and then basically all you need at that point are things nobody’s really picking.
I’m not saying that Frogs are the most dominant comp; I’m saying that they are a comp that can win against top comps despite being much easier to pivot to & compile.
Now that Grease Bot is hot fixed out of the metagame, things are less of an issue largely because someone is power tiering to 5 or 6 and spiking harder hitting endgames and (to one of your points) games are indeed ending quickly. However, I do find a pretty huge issue with Frogs essentially being a full comp that never needs to get a 6 drop unless someone has already Zapped you/Quillboars aren’t in the lobby.