Warlock isn't that good because Vicious Syndicate said so

Emotionally?

No.

If I’m ‘over invested’ in Hearthstone, it’s financially.

As a player who’s been involved with the game since classic, I’ve put quite a bit of money into it (let’s be real, it’s always been expensive).

Obviously anyone who’s played Hearthstone since classic would be passionate about it and want it to do better.

That’s not really being ‘far too emotionally invested’… you definitely read too far into my original post.

Not sure what your purpose is here because so far you’ve simply been resorting to attacking my personal character since your original comments were proven silly and presumptuous.

What are you trying to prove at this point?

That Warlock is fine?

That VS is always right?

???

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Sunk cost fallacy.

You are too emotionally invested. Your recent threads prove it.

No, I am not saying lock is fine. Just pointing out what you are doing isn’t healthy.

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Dunno how weak they make it out to be but it’s certainly not god tier, but it’s also quite effective if you know how to use it and your opponents don’t know what they’re up against and so they don’t prepare ahead of time. Though with some people saying they face warlock 99% of the time, you’d think they’d come prepared every match. :sweat_smile:

You sound like the coach in Moneyball, lol.

Yes I know all about the sunk cost fallacy.

Why are you so obsessed with diagnosing my emotional state?

What does that have to do with anything about Warlock’s win-rate and the VS report?

What are you even talking about?

Are you my mom? Are you that concerned with my well being?

I’m starting to wonder if you are just trolling… I’m done responding to you since you are definitely not speaking the same frequency as me.

Can’t relate.

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Emotinal investment too high. Walk away if you are dissatisfied with the product as your last dozen threads suggest.

Emotinal investment too high. Walk away if you are dissatisfied with the product as your last dozen threads suggest.

Pot. Meet Kettle.

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I’m not the one carrying on like a lunatic because I am no longer happy with it.

That’s actually a good point you accidentally made, all the Quests with ’ I win the game now’s rewards are a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off and ruin Standard or Wild.

The rewards need to be toned down or, as you point out, design space for new cards is permanently reduced.

That’s quite apart from the fact that quests produce stale and linear gameplay ( you know pretty much exactly what an opponents deck is going to do from T1).

It’s easy to see that designing quests is good fun for the devs, but they’re a terrible addition to the game imo.

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When they remove or quest lock goes out of rotation it will return to the dumpster where it belongs, soon as they do somethin to hammer the numbers of shamans will drop as well not a lot till the quests are gone than it will be the real good shamans or the real bad and dumb shamans lol quest priest is laughable because thats the only quest that has real requirements meaning more than 2 mana to complete

I’ll go out on a leg and say that VS factor in correlations, yes. I mean, have you ever read their reports?

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I stopped playing Wild completely.

Except for doing some Daily Quests.

I feel that even after they nerf Warlock again and assuming it becomes reasonable, Wild is really different after this expansion.

Actually, if you listen to the podcast, they say that the Stealer of Souls version of Warlock is 48%. And that, if people want it to be nerfed, they shouldn’t be talking about numbers the archetype doesn’t have, they should focus on how un-fun it is to play against. Which it is. But in terms of actual performance on ladder, it’s not oppressive.

Handlock Warlock, though, is stupid good. The one that Flesh Giant and Darkglare were nerfed to reign in. That didn’t work, btw.

They also say that Quest Shaman is another potential Tier S deck if Blizzard had nerfed Handlock successfully, and done something about Stealer of Souls.

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Keep in mind this was literally the case for Quest Mage as well; everyone and their duck was targeting it, and that’s why it was at 48-49% before the nerfs.
Naturally this didn’t stop the Mage Squad from losing thier minds over a “tier 3 deck” getting “unjustly” nerfed

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How weak do they make it out to be? They actually said that Warlock is not “overpowered unbeatable” deck, which is true. They also said that it’s still problematic, which also seems to be the case.

So, what do you actually disagree with?

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The Podcast also makes a pretty big deal out of IF getting nerfed and Mage NOT being dead.

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Half of Vicious Syndicate is a narcissistic butt. I have no idea why RH works with Zacho when he has so many other much more pleasant people to talk with on podcasts.

Zacho is at least. He was really uppity about people being upset with the meta and he seems like someone that won’t back down when his own pride is on the line.

So if Quest Warlock is having the same effect on the game as Quest Mage, and has similar winrates, that should mean we can expect a real Quest Warlock nerf next patch?

Because if that doesn’t happen, then killing Quest Mage was unjust.

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Honestly, I fully expect it to be nerfed. Its rate of play, combined with the myriad of complaints waged against it, will push T5 enough to do it. Just like mage. I just hope warlock has at least one decent deck when this quest is nerfed. Without this quest, I’m unsure what we have.

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