Update from Ayala on the Battle Pass

[Mand-1586]

Because you insist on coming here to stink up the place.

[SuddenReal-2703]

@neverlucky-11992

Yes seriously,they clearly state that your ability to buy packs with quests rewards on day 1 wont change,but on the other hand they say “Something that has come up a lot is the idea that you will no longer be able to obtain the packs you want on day 1, and instead will get a ‘drip feed’ of packs over the expansion.”

Yes, Blizzard states that your ability to buy packs day 1 won’t change, IN RESPONSE to people saying you won’t be able to do so, and instead drip feed.

[Boreas-1179]

thats the excuse you always use when someone ask you a question you claim to have the answer for …

[Mallenroh-11647]

Voicing the potential negatives is allowed. I’m sorry if that bothers you, but I do love this game and care about it as much as you do.
I have played as long as anyone and I distrust the company because they had no intention of addressing the revisions. Instead the information got leaked, forcing them to defend the model.
You spoke about them saying things directly. The only reason they addressed anything is that they had no choice.
That makes me very cautious to endorse something based on the vague claims made by Mr. Ayala. We all saw the hypothetical model.
We all know it to be more effort for less reward.
He now claims it will be more, to which I say:
More what? Right now I already play the game more than is healthy and I simply have no more time to sink into it.
The idea that this model won’t be more effort for the same rewards seems not only possible, it seems likely to me.
After all; every gamer I know has told me that similar systems in other products were exactly that.
So while I will wait and hope, you will pardon me if I don’t cheer until I know with certainty.

[Mand-1586]

@Mallenroh-11647

Voicing the potential negatives is allowed.

How is it a “potential” negative if it has zero basis in what they’re actually saying because you made it up?

[Mallenroh-11647]

If I am right and this model turns out to be a gated system that only rewards equal gold after jumping through a series of obstacles will you say you were wrong?
I have already said I will if your belief turns out to be accurate.

[Mand-1586]

That description applies to quests, which is what we have now.

So, no?

[Mallenroh-11647]

If Blizzard’s only objective was to provide more rewards to players or make rewards available in the new game format, it would have been child’s play to make daily quests doable in every competitive play format.
They have more reasons for the change and any adult should see that clearly.

[Mand-1586]

Why, because the gnomes inside your head told you?

[Mallenroh-11647]

You see what you want to, Mand. I will remain circumspect.

[BattleSpoon-11383]

DMaster86 :

I don’t want packs instead of gold, i want the same gold (actually more, but at least the same) as before, and then i decide if i want the new packs or to open some frozen throne packs to flesh out some commons and rares. Or use it for arena, battleground perks, adventures or whatever suit my fancy.

But i want to decide, not you. If i want to save 100 packs worth of gold for a big opening day 1 of the new expansion, i should be able to just like i did before.

And i want the battleground perks be purchasable f2p.

Iksar :

Great, we also don’t want you to earn packs instead of gold. As a result, you will still earn lots of gold you can choose to do whatever you want with

[Mallenroh-11647]

@BattleSpoon-11383

lots of gold

“A story always sounds clear enough at a distance, but the nearer you get to the scene of events the vaguer it becomes.”
GeorgeOrwell

[BattleSpoon-11383]

I like ol’ George O.

[Mand-1586]

@Mallenroh-11647

You see what you want to, Mand. I will remain circumspect.

I see what exists. You refuse to.

I’m comfortable with that. Why are you?

[Mallenroh-11647]

I understood virtually nothing of that, but We shall see.
Right or wrong, I will be gracious.

[Mand-1586]

@Mallenroh-11647

I understood virtually nothing of that

That much is obvious.

[Mallenroh-11647]

Now who’s trolling? I have stayed on message. You have chosen to sling insults.

[Wardrum-1200]

@neverlucky-11992

I still dont understand why they would change it and what the objective is. If the goal is to give players better rewards would it not have been more simple to just up the rewards for the quests a bit?

It’s not just that, they XP system would mean that you can earn your gold & rewards by playing Battlegrounds, the new game mode and whatever else. Right now the ROI on BGs is utter crap. If everything awards more proportional experience, you can still earn your big lump of gold by the end of an expansion without feeling punished by playing different modes since they would all award XP. Having a seasonal leveling experience is also something they’ve probaly found helps improve engagement as it gives a sense of progress in additon to just the regular constructed ladder.

@neverlucky-11992

Something that has come up a lot is the idea that you will no longer be able to obtain the packs you want on day 1, and instead will get a ‘drip feed’ of packs over the expansion.”

To me that seems contradictory,at least with the information we have thus far.
But i am pretty dense so maybe its just only me who finds this somewhat contradictory and unclear.

He’s stating what the concern we have is, then explaining that said concern isn’t going to be an issue because despite Ben’s infamous “I earn 5k gold between expansions”, what YOU and I earn between expansions shouldn’t change as long as we play the same amount, we’ll just be getting those little other rewards on top of it.

[Mallenroh-11647]

@Wardrum-1200

what YOU and I earn between expansions shouldn’t change as long as we play the same amount, we’ll just be getting those little other rewards on top of it.

I very much hope this is true.

[autosquelch-11655]

@Wardrum-1200

needlessly cynical

Well, to be fair, Blizzard has a long track record of dishonesty, deceit, and obfuscation.

What I know for certain is that I typically buy the $50 pre-expansion bundle. That, plus my gold earnings from daily quests and crowns, nets me around 150 packs on launch day. If I find I have less than 150 packs to open on launch day, then Ayala is a liar. It’s that simple.

I have an expectation, and if the new system fails to meet or exceed that expectation, then they have lied. If it does meet the expectation, I will be happy to champion the new approach.

@Mand-1586

why are you playing their game and posting on their forums about their game?

The game is fun. One can still enjoy a game even if he feels the developers are dishonest people.