Token druid still the most busted deck of the meta

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I can’t help but notice a lot of people have been complaining about caster classes , mage and warlock lately. I wonder, why is nobody mentioning token druid? I believe it’s in a fairly good place right now. We can see on the stats that killu posted that it is the best deck of the meta winrate wise.

I played against one recently. He had Watchpost, pack mule, razormane battleguard, bonechewer brawler, two cub , all of these buffed by soil and three of them under composting on his turn 4.
I played another game , and he played Bonechewer and razormane turn 1 with the coin.

Those opening are very good imo.

Token druid is pretty strong at the moment. I believe it’s gained traction and momentum because of a few key cards, which are Razormane, oracle of elune and squirrel for swarming . Then there is composting for heavy draw effect, and finally, some OTK potential with soil and arbor up . I think these card are very good at the moment, and maybe slightly overtuned. what do you think?

Note : This thread has been rewritten to add nuance. Enjoy :slight_smile: !

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Having to answer that, not being able to, is not a problem. Because you lost fair and square. Even if it had a 100% win rate it would still be fair, square, perfectly balanced, and worthy of a “Well played” emote.

Now if we were talking about caster classes even a 1% win rate is too high and unbalanced.

You see, you have no nuance, while I have all the nuance.

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Yeah i’ve been saying it forever and no body seemed to pay it much attention, Taunt aggro druid was always scoring really high winrates from like the mid of the expansion to now, and always just slept on. It even had high winrates back when quest shaman (one of it’s harder counters.

Though tbf, it could also be one of quest shaman’s trickier aggro decks. with enough tokens to overload the shaman to 0 and reflood easily, better draw and refill, and greyborough making stickier boards.)

It’s just a really strong and solid deck. I guess why people don’t complain about it as much is, at least Aggro taunt druid puts stuff on the board and doesn’t break the vanilla mana curve too much (at least until… arbor up i guess… technically).

It’s just a deck that’s really good at sticking and oracle of elune lets it dupe stuff. Obviously a aggro deck using taunts because they’re free probably doesn’t seem like intended design, but it’s a bit unique for a aggro deck.

Definitely agree classes like Aggro taunt druid and pally’s 3 flavors have been surviving for a while.

I guess it’s not a archetype deleter though. it’s just a really good aggro, that’s good against other aggros since of free defensive options that also help it aggro. (Taunts, discounts, arbor up, etc).

It’s a interesting deck but it’s probably overtuned, Arbor up also being technically a pure upside 5 mana 4/3 + 4/3 = 8/6 of stats + 2/1 to any other minion might be a bit too.

Maybe they could into just a small stat change like the treeants from 2/2s into 2/1s or 1/2s prebuff, So you’d end up with either 4/2s or 3/3s instead.

Or i guess you could try making the buff go from +2/1 into +1/2 instead. So arbor up could make 2x 3/4s instead and not act as a psuedo roar, idk.

I guess it’s at least a interesting deck and it doesn’t seem like it just flat out denies you from making stuff.

But when they nerfed quest shaman to give ‘board based decks a better matchup and let other control decks emerge’… they forgot the… utter lack of any bad matchup part roflmao for the aggro. XD

(At least until the miniset hits… Which… is being delayed for mercenary, Raid shadow legends gameplay without the graphics i suppose. )

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Lol. I suppose I could have turned that more delicately for the sake of discussion. You’re right, I probably should have started it by ‘‘Token druid is pretty strong at the moment. I believe it’s gained traction and momentum because of a few key cards, which are …I think these card are very good at the moment, and maybe slightly overtuned. what do you think’’.

Guess what, I edited my first post. This way the discussion will be more positive.

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I saw it coming the day the nerfs were announced. I also thought Elemental Shaman would see a bump, but I guess Druid outclasses it.

What I didn’t see coming was the Mage bubble. It’s going to deflate the same way the Tickatus bubble deflated last expansion.

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Play big warrior like Gaby. clear their boards, build up armors. by turn 7, sitting with full health with 20+ armors and just smile

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we live in timeline where the keyword that was meant to defeat aggro, helps them instead :joy:

does it have a chance against quest mage?
I saw viper (probably) playing a control frenzy warrior and it had no way to beat quest mage, since the deck isn’t aggressive and rattlegore sat frozen for sometime

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OP only asked about rogue. big warrior may have very slim chance against quest mage, if you are able to pull out the bulwark at perfect timing while developing a huge board. other than that, you can’t out value infinite ignite

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That’s right!

It doesn’t matter if a deck loses to 99% of decks.

It just has to be a Control deck that beats Mage.

Why doesn’t Blizzard understand that. We don’t care if this Control deck loses to a deck filled with 30 copies of River Crocolisk.

It just has to beat Mage, and be a Control deck.

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The mage bubble is probably suppressing token druid, at the moment.

The deck is fine, but it is super boring, that’s why people don’t play it.

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You have to have be able to beat the most popular deck to be playable on ladder.

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hey, I just asked: no need to be a “you know what”

It doesn’t matter if it is mage to me: since the control warrior I saw seemed good and LoneWolf suggested to OP to play a big warrior, I wondered if the deck he was talking about was good against mage, because it is the main offender to the control deck I mentioned.
If I play a deck, I want to know how it does against popular decks: I will never ask how is big warrior against boar paladin, because nobody would care, me in primis.

I know it’s hard to read and to understand what someone writes, but maybe next time spend 10 more seconds before typing on your keyboard

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You do understand that this is a player devised bubble that can’t hold because the deck isn’t performing?

It’s just like the Control Warlock bubble last expansion.

I wish I could understand why these anti control bubbles keep popping up with these bad decks. It’s irrational and illogical.

But, all of you are feeding the bubble with your paranoia hate hype. Because there’s a segment of the population (even at High Legend, lol) that doesn’t get that people can hate hype a bad deck and will try that deck, and keep playing it for a while (they erroneously think they’re doing poorly because of a nonexistent learning curve).

You want to help pop the bubble quicker play Face Hunter, DR DH, Ele Shaman, or another of the many counter decks for the next 2 weeks. It shouldn’t take longer than that to pop Mage to a lower play rate, just like Warlock last expansion.

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It’s not a bubble; it’s been this way for a month. Quest mage is still over 50% despite being the most popular deck (meaning it gets targeted and teched against extensively). There’s not a ton of reason for players to switch off it.

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It’s never been 50%, that’s a gross exaggeration.

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It’s above 50% on HSReplay; at worst it’s 47%. And it has literally been the most popular deck for every VS report this expansion. It’s not a bubble, because it would’ve been popped in the last 2 months if it was going to pop.

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Above 50%?

Was it 5,000%? 5,000,000%? Maybe Infinity%?

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Hunter was top tier last xpac and I wouldn’t see a single complaint about it. People don’t mind that much losing to aggro (unless it’s busted like pirate warrior in MSOG) because most of the time there’s something you could have done or a card you could have drawn that would win the match.

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What’s even your point? Are players going to switch off a deck that is 48% winrate? Is the difference between 50 and 48% even noticeable (grossly different in your opinion)?

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Ahhhh.

Writing 50% and then saying it’s the most popular deck within the same sentence, without specifying the 50% was something other than popularity, was confusing for me.