This game will ruin your day. Nice algorithm Blizzard

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You probably all had those games, where you constantly get the same 1-2 hero enemies, and do not understand why you dont get other enemies ? Its because this game is rigged, it has a hidden Algorithm, to force you to lose, after you have a winstreak. Not by giving you harder enemies, but by actually rigging the RNG.

Ive started noticing this patern over and over.

I did a winstreak, earned about 500+ points in a few hours.
Suddenly this game happens.
i get a Brann, which is already something i dont usually lose at, but just look at how this game is litteraly WANTING ME DEAD, no matter what i do, and this happend right after the winstreak.

there was a screenshot here

Pretty much what i want blizzard to fix, is so that you dont face the same opponent for so many times in the same game. Why was my entire game against Yogg and Van Cleef ??? Two players that were getting insane LUCK. This is rigged, and i thought, maybe its just in my head, maybe other players are even stronger thats why the game isnt letting me face them. Then HEY YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS ? i get a random George, that has a COMPLETE TRASH board, that i easily won. And after that again, back to Yogg and Van Cleef.
Nah you can say all you want, RNG or not, i think this is a rigged algorithm, to force you to a 50% winrate, just like in hearthstone.

Please dont make it this obvious blizzard, let us face other players aswel, not just the same two enemies that are stronger, when the game needs you dead. Thank you.

imgur. com/a/t28TgVz

The forum doesnt let me post links, if somebody can post the proof i screenshoted, i would be thankful. Just got a bit too tilted, so decided to make a post, sorry if i sound too agressive.

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The mode is in beta testing, so you should assume that the matchmaking would be wack, it’ll probably get better over time

And why would blizzard rig a mode that they don’t receive any direct monetary benefit from?

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“When I win it’s skill, when I lose, the game is rigged.”

Sure, kid.

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Good point that its just beta, i hope it will be improved in time.
But the thing is, in a healthy competetive game, ANY GAME, even heroes of the storm, if a good player is really good at what he does, he will go up in ranks pretty quickly. How do you prevent a good player from rushing his MMR too high ?
You make an algorithm, that gives him harder and harder opponents each game, this is how it works in Dota, in Hots, in pretty much most of the competetive games.

This game tho, lets not call it a mode, i think this is way bigger than just a mode, this is game that will overtake hearthstone, from within, thats just my 5Head take, this GAME actually rigges your RNG part, making you lose on every single part where you should get lucky, and forcing you to lose. This isnt a healthy competetive way to control GOOD players. Blizzard could just put you in a lobby, with lets say 8000+ mmr players, that are actually good, when you are like 6000.
Which would mean they are going to probably win you, because they are higher mmr. But what i see in game, is rigged gameplay, forcing me to face the same two opponents that are stronger than me, or give perfect attacks to the enemy, to make you lose. Trust me, this isnt RANDOM, i can bet my right ball, that this is an algorithm, blizzard is in control of what will happen, even before the round starts. It can see that the enemy has bigger numbers than you, and it faces you with that person, when you are on a winstreak and are suppose to be losing.

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Ah a conspiracy thread,just what I needed to relax a bit.

Here is my BG conspiracy:
I have noticed that when you face players who are almost dead that all the combat actions go in their favor and against your favor. As to give them a bit of hope and maybe 1 more match before dying.

Its probably confirmation bias but still.
Anyone else noticed the same or is it me lol.

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Im 28 years old, i play games for like 20 years of my life, i dont just “im losing, so its rigged” i see a pattern, and if blizzard tells me im wrong, then i will agree.
Im not a casual, ive earned legend in HS multiple times, ive been grandmaster in HoTs, like what im trying to tell you, is that you are talking to a Man, that takes games really seriously, i litterally wrote guides to games, that people enjoyed.
Please trust me, that the rigged algorithm has been noticed, by me, and by alot of good players. And there will be more players. Blizzard, im asking you to change something ASAP, because if you dont fix it, then (cencored) ill quit.

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Or you are just bad at the game, TC. I still have been climbing steadily regardless of getting matched against OP heroes (Brann, Rafaam, Nefarion…).

It’s all about utilize what you are given the most effective way.

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The issue with people trying to insist this game is not rigged is that their evidence is not anymore stronger than the people who claim that it is. They have not told us explicitly how matchmaking works in detail, so how can you be so sure that playing against someone is not in part to keep your winrate at around 50%?

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Impressive, you are such a good player.

So back to the topic, we are talking about the unhealthy rigging RNG when you are on a winstreak, not about if somebody can or CANNOT climb.
Im climbing pretty easily on all three region accounts, im not here to brag about it, im here to talk about the way they are rigging the RNG when you are on a winstreak is unhealthy.
Lets say i take first place 5 times in a row, it litteraly happend today.

On the 6’th game i expect really strong opponents, so do all of you, which is makes complete sense.

But instead what happens on 6’th game, is a rigged RNG game, that you actually NOTICE, you see the patern of faceing the same enemies, and having the worst attacks possible during the game. Obviously the enemies could be SO BAD, that even with the rigged RNG of the 6’th game you could end up in top 3, but just the existance of this RNG RIGGING machine, is something that needs to be reworked.

Have a nice day, i need to run sorry

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I know exactly what you mean, I also been playing for 20+ years, and the algorithm is lurking around for sure…not only in HS.

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Hey just a quick riddle about what’s the most random distribution :

What’s the most random to you ?
This : https://i.imgur.com/Km3QzO8.png
Or This : https://i.imgur.com/ZMyuPnF.png

People always think that a random distribution is uniform. It’s not, nothing is less random than a uniform distribution. So you’ll have luck streaks and unluck streaks. There are no such pattern, it’s just the way things are when you talk about RNG.

More info there : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

When it comes to randomization, you have to think as if it was a maths test.

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warning !
tin foil club members brain may be damaged when trying to answer this question

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Really. Because the parade of rigging whiners who have come before you have outright refused when told by devs how the game works, they insisted, insisted that they were right. With zero evidence ever presented from them.

Are you different?

No.

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Oh God now BG is rigged? Basic question here, why would Blizz rig a mode they make no money off of? The stupidty of this claim is staggering.

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A few days ago, i did put a beast on the board before putting the mama bear. I was so mad that i screamed and cursed the game. (should have screamed at myself instead for that mistake.) Then, for the next 6 games i had really bad roll and lost them all.

When i play ranked, whenever i get a 8+ win streak, it’s always followed by a loss. Often more than one loss in a row !

When my wife loses 4 games in a row in ranked, she stops playing for the day, pretending this is a bad day and that the game won’t let her draw well until next day.

I lost a few BGs in a row, then i closed the game. I came back a bit later, and won 2 games (first place) with a board so incredibly powerful that Sargaras himself would bow to it. Probably it’s just blizzard who want me continue playing, right ??

When i started playing hearthstone, i kept buying packs with gold only. After about 100 packs, the only legendaries i opened were 3 millhouse manastorm. Then i purchased a few dozens packs with cash, and got very good cards ! It’s best to pay with cash, right ?

Those are all true stories, but does it mean the game is rigged ? I don’t think so. It’s very easy to assemble a few things that happened and claim something odd is at work. And conspiracy theories are so entertaining and easy to fall into.

Everything about random and odds of winning is not intuitive for us. Let’s take a dice and assume the goal is to roll a 6. After each throw, we “think” that we are getting closer and closer to getting a 6, while in fact, every single throw still have the exact same chance (1/6), no matter how many times we rolled before.

After a large amount of throw (let’s say 10,000), it’s highly probable that the amount of each numbers are quite close to each other. But still, there is a very slim possibility that all the 10,000 throw are 6s. If such a thing would happen, everyone would assume the dice is rigged for sure. Even after throwing a dice randomly in front of people, getting 5 times the same number makes them start assuming the dice is rigged.

Let’s say you see a new lottery ticket that have 1 chances out of 200 of winning. You buy 198 tickets. What’s your chances of winning, in percent ? Nope, it’s not 99%. Completely unintuitive.

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I love these conspiracy theories. They always give me a chuckle :smiley:

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You will immediately notice the game where you’re only matched up against the two best players.

You will barely register the games with a normal mix of opponents and only momentarily notice the lucky games where you face the ghost multiple times.

It’s normal random, but since you’re mainly noticing the unlucky games, it feels skewed towards them.

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The devs have stated that there is an additional stat applied to each player called ‘Variance’ which is basically your expected placing for each lobby; I highly suspect the matchmaking system incorporates this during lobbies which would explain meeting strong players a lot if your variance is low (ie. finishing 1-4 a lot). It also affects how much MMR you gain/lose for each lobby.

So on the surface OP is right, the game is rigged :slight_smile:

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Whizbang, Zephiro, that other legendary works as whizbang, the fact, that they always choose random effects … these all are tools to make the ladder rigged …

And you know what? I love this game, but I don’t love so much to try futher anymore, it is just nuts to try hard a rigged game.

And BG is the same thing, and I didn’t understand why rating didn’t reset every month? It should be more cool if it was a race every month.

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What about u think every one play for murloc not like before with mech becouse murloc is not balance alot of buffs for HP new legendary murloc buffs 2+2 ez to get hight rank up and not die fast after u get Megasaur game is over adapt (poison + dive shield) every game first place get this build !!! maybe better to REMOVE Megasaur !!!