People want bans because of mana cheat. Well, it still gets printed, and other cards that mana cheat remain untouched. Cards that do the same still get printed. Making banning unnecessary. Add in reverts which make little sense (look at naga sea witch who remains nerfed while avianna is free to roam).
People want bans because a deck is broken. Well several decks exist which were broken and required adjustment. They avoided modification. Making banning unnecessary (see pirate rogue, mech mage, mech rogue, even shaman, palladin, shadow priest).
People want bans because of OTK issues. Well several decks exist which were broken and required adjustment. They avoided modification. Cards that do the same still get printed, and other cards that OTK remain untouched (see complaints regarding mage). Making banning unnecessary.
The ethics behind banning evades me. It is a blanket. Instead of adjusting issues as they occur they ban. They may as well reduce mana cost from cards that are 7, 8 9, 10 do nothings. As they are highly unplayable.
I think there is huge amount of favoritism in what gets nerfed, what doesn’t, what gets banned, what doesn’t, etc.
When my class can only make two decks in wild that are playable past diamond while others have four, then it tends to make me suspect things like that.
At any rate; I don’t understand nerfs or bans, I think they are pretty arbitrary
Well you’re partly right (nerfing A will cause B to rise and be the next dominating force). I think an important key you’re missing is the shift of meta. when A becomes with, X that used to prey on A loses it’s role as well. B becomes the new menace and now it’s to people to find out Y to beat this new meta.
Sometimes it fails to shift a new meta, but sometimes it creates a new wind inbetween sets.
An example is with Disney Lorcana, a deck (called Ruby/Amethyst) reigned supreme for a long time (since the set got released until the newly released set). Since there was no official competetive scene there were no bans which caused the same meta to exist for a long time.
Let’s push further shall we? Why does casual mode need metas or concerns regarding the same (vs ladder)? Give justification for the same. Relate to wild vs standard.
It is not a simple answer to provide the statement of metas.
“Wild format appears in game modes in which players are allowed to play decks without the deck restrictions of Standard format, allowing the use of cards from any card set.”
This thread is full of bad information. I assume this is about wild.
avianna is free to roam
Isn’t it 9 mana? No valid comparison.
Making banning unnecessary (see pirate rogue, mech mage, mech rogue, even shaman, palladin, shadow priest).
They banned Mech Warper in Wild. Until Mech Warper was banned, both Mech Paladin and Mech Mage were top 5 decks in wild.
Instead of adjusting issues as they occur they ban.
They have said numerous times, do not expect balancing in wild.
They do not make their money there, they are not going to devote a lot of to it and maybe 2 or 3 times a year they will adjust it only when necessary (Twig, Discard Warlock stuff, Shadow Essense, 1 mana free secret card in Mage).
Pirate Rogue, Even shaman have always been safe decks but never best decks. Shadow Priest haven’t been nerfed because there are removal/heal/armor decks it has little chance of ever beating – decks with such bad matchups are never nerf targets in any meta.
Well, it seemed incoherent with regards to bans. I remember decks that literally broke the game, and so some bans are necessary.
Still; standard and wild seem to have no real criteria other than whim for many nerfs/bans.
You do you, everyone, but I would suggest you to avoid engaging with this poster. They were mass bumping year-old threads just last week to disrupt and troll the forum. I’d wager it’s just another alt account of the usual suspect.
bans in wild really seem to go against the whole spirit of the mode.
Hence I’ve called for “real wild” and for renaming the current mode to “wild lite.”
And let’s lay off banning people unless it really matters (you know, the “final warning” stuff the mods ignored for years). Because if we banned every necro bumper, the mods would have to actually ban some of their people that they like to let get away with so many other offenses too.
I didn’t say I wanted anything banned. (although I would ban time warp if I could.) I was agreeing that some bans in wild are necessary.
Please re-read for context.
It’s a forum that pats itself on the back and believe me. I don’t want or need your welcome.
We do not hang out on weekends or talk about employment together. We do not talk about stock values or real estate together. Or even live in the same country going threw the same struggles.
You kids forget all this believing that you require acceptance from others to feel whole on a superficial message board. A social media thing. Like kids and tiktok/facebook/myspace/twitter/youtube/discord believing that they are important and actions are justifiable due to views and favoured opinions by some (not all).
I have seen this forum and how rude you are to each other. You are not my friends. Do not welcome me to the trash heap.
Once you realize this you will better have a grasp on reality, who you are and values without outside bias. Especially from people you do not know.
You can agree or disagree with my statements that is perfect. The point of information. But reality is this. Don’t be disillusioned.
You need to understand that you are all on the same playing field with me. I have no favoritism.
I notice the same with this. Group setups like a high school. The last time I dealt with that was 25 year old kids at a work party destroying good alcohol with mixing, puking, and hitting on each other. Someones mother was required to pick them up. Kids.