There is a failsafe that prevents you hard-tanking your mmr.
You can tank it for the season, yes, but your baseline MMR cant be tanked that hard. So when a new season starts your historic mmr will be used, not your seasonal mmr.
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I donât think Iâve ever read this one. If I had read this before, I wouldnât even have engaged in discussions about is there any sort of a monthly reset or not. There obviously is. You canât resort to a âhistorical MMRâ without resetting it, at least softly.
This whole time Iâve been operating under a wrong assumption that theyâve explicitly said multiple times that no resets of any kind exists regarding MMR, but itâs obviously a false assumption since they literally said there was.
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Probably a poor word choice due to itâs wide range of interpretations (many of which are negative). The MMR algorithm is not a scam. Itâs a carefully crafted system which endeavors to maintain matchups that are as fair as is reasonably possible based on the programmed factors that the developers believe are a good determination of player skill level.
Also probably a poor word choice. Carnivore was quite clear in that he wasnât not trying to âtankâ his MMR in an effort to get easier matchups the following month (see blue FAQ). He was achievement hunting, a perfectly reasonable playstyle which ought not be likened to âtankingâ and certainly not to âscammingâ.
And as a result, much of this thread was confrontational, which makes constructive discussion difficult. (I have been guilty of this myself in the past).
As to the substance, I donât necessarily agree that the system is designed to spot trends in playstyle, like achievement hunting, in order to factor that into the MMR adjustments. I think itâs more likely that Carnivore did, in fact, experience a big drop in MMR due to consecutive losses from his achievement hunting playstyle, thus earning him matchups against weaker and weaker opponents. However, when the next month came, his MMR was adjusted up to his more historical level, thus matching him against comparably skilled opponents, in accordance with this:
And while Carnivore did not âintentionally tankâ his MMR (i.e. causing it to drop in order to start the next month with easier matchups), his MMR did tank on itâs own due to the natural tendency of achievement hunting to result in very poor win rates.
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i dont get it
how is the oficial explanation a âscamâ ?the blue post/official explanation matches what you describedâŚ
Thatâs a pretty good source thanks. Therefore I WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT the MMR got raised higher than the tanking l did to it at the d5 floor.
However notice some subtleties; they leave vague how they calculate the soft reset (itâs probably the MAX MMR you had); also they do not exactly say if TEMPORARILY the MMR drops during the tanking at a rank floor (it obviously does).
Yeah it pretty much confirms your soft reset theory. However notice they leave out how exactly they calculate the âtrueâ MMR for the reset (itâs probably the MAX MMR of the previous month or even more months or maybe an average of maxes or other similar statistical metric).
Also they do not mention if TEMPORARILY the MMR tanks after too many loses (but it most probably does otherwise we wouldnât be talking about a reset).
This is a published and known fact.
It takes several months to really lower your mmr.
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Yes the blue source posted above is good. However notice the subtlety that they donât make it clear if the mmr TEMPORARILY drops during losing a lot at a rank floor.
If it didnât we wouldnât be talking of a RESET of it.
Itâs never been a question for me and nothing was subtleâŚ
They reset it each month to a floor determined by the previous month.
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Well, theyâre not going to reveal the details of their algorithm. The only thing that really matters to the players is the result. But they do clearly indicate that a low MMR in one month wonât automatically carry into the next month and that they will ârecoverâ your MMR. That word ârecoverâ suggests (to me anyway) that they are putting you back to your historical (i.e. larger sample size) MMR.
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He admittedly tanked multiple games with the admitted expectation of getting easier matchups the following month. Your/his big argument here is âbut Carn wasnât even trying.â I donât care if he was trying to do it or not â he did it. Intent doesnât matter and will never matter; results matter.
From my personal experience MMR actually goes lower when you tank it. Last month I took a break from the ladder and ended at 8k or something while Iâve lost good portion of MMR during BSM first days. This month I have played only 10 games so far due to being very busy with current project but easily went 8-2 with slower (Fizzle) Insanity warlock because opponents are obviously less good as Iâve use to sit around 3k for the last months. So even that it is not down to silvers still MMR is not as high as it used to be and this monthâs climb seems to be quite an easy road ahead until Iâll catch up with some level I actually belonged to.
Youâre talking about a strawman. I was doing achievements. Why do you lie?
The only âscamâ here is people that think losing a few game automatically drops them to opponents that use decks and play at a level thatâs worse than basic innkeeper.
Honestly, it does feel like thatâs the case sometimes xD
People in dumpster legend are so bad compared to where I normally play, that I get tilted just by having to waste time and RNG on them
Correct.
Correct. Which is why your use of the term âscamâ is a poor choice. It carries a connotation of intent.
Nah, usage of that word has gotten so wide that it includes many intents and connotations, such as:
- when you get a better part of the deal than the person you made it with, you âscammedâ them;
- when you highroll someone in HS, you âscammedâ them;
I canât think of other usages now, but Iâm sure thereâs lots of them.
To me, itâs become a fun word xD its original meaning carries with it a neutral connotation, anyway - when you get âscammedâ, youâre to blame just as the person who scammed you, so the accusations go both way.
Next time, just donât get scammed.
In that context, using the word âscamâ suggests that you engaged in some unethical, deceptive practice to achieve that better part of the deal.
That is a misuse of the word. And that certainly was not the context of Scrotieâs original responses. He definitely appeared to be suggesting that by losing so much, Carnivore was engaging in some sort of fraudulent or unethical scheme to manipulate the system to earn him weaker opponents at the start of the next month. I think that both Carnivoreâs and Scrotieâs uses of the word scam were poor choices.
Thatâs slang/urban dictionary
I think theyâre both good xD
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This is in Carnivoreâs opening post. They were doing achievements. Anyone ever tried doing achievements and win successfully? I never have.
For those that have an âissueâ with this (and you really shouldnât), stop refuting this please.
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I didnât know you operate based on the Gamblerâs Fallacy.
That might explain why you canât improve well.
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