Terran is garbage

It’s from HSguru since the release of the miniset. It should also be noted that I flushed out all decks with a sub 1% playrate. Zarimi Priest has like 1.4% playrate in 1k. Compare that to Infinite Terran Shaman with a whopping 16.9%.

If you look at the popularity in each bracket you get the following top 3.

Diamond through legend

Terran Warrior 10.3%
Terran Shaman 10.3%
Infinite Terran Shaman 9.4%

Legend

Terran Warrior 11.8%
Infinite Terran Shaman 11.6%
Terran Shaman 9.0%

Top 1k

Infinite Terran Shaman 16.9%
Terran Shaman 10.0%
Terran Warrior 8.9%
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Terran Shaman is one of the best deck right now. It can handle Zerk DK pretty well as it has access to disabler cards like Hex.

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Only Terran shaman is performing, warrior is 48% winrate in legend and paladin is 44% (vicious syndicate dropped some stats today).

But its like that for every other class, only Terran shaman is op, only Zerg DK is op and only Protoss druid is op. Other classes are balanced/weak if u compare them to Tier 1 decks.

There’s a Zarimi priest, that mixes Protoss cards. It’s correct to not be called just Protoss because it drops Mothership.

It’s really strong with zealots for charge.

It has like a .3% play rate, so it’s basically invisible on ladder.

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It’s pretty hard to play well. I think Rogue has a better Protoss, but everyone thinks Rogue should only be an edgie high APM weapon deck.

I don’t even really consider Zarimi priest to be a protoss deck.

They just use the zealots because they have charge.

Protoss rogue seems ok.

My brother in hearthstone, you are the definition of gaslighting. And your hot takes continue to be wildly inaccurate and inflammatory, to no ones benefit.

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Terran shaman is good, because shaman is good.

It’s near end of rotation. Shaman as a class usually gets a variety of things over the expansions, such that they end up being able to respond very well to all sorts of metas.

Terran pally is much more dependent on winning the b oard with minions, since they don’t have the removal spells and utility like warrior or shaman.

Warrior has is like the opposite. Lots of removals and armor to survive, but they need it as their threats take time to develop.

But shaman gets a good balance of both. And so terran shaman pulls ahead. This isn’t to say other terran (or other toss/zerg that isn’t the top meta) are trash, but they are well… not meta for a reason.

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Said the person, who bullies people about their rank.

Keep looking in your mirror.

Amen.

If anyone is too dense to understand this, just open Norwis stream. He’s pwning in top 10 on EU and NA with good old Nature Shaman without a single card from last 3 expansions.

Might as well be a parrott at this point, but hey, Pop-up Book is still unchanged for some reason. I bet there isn’t a single human being who wouldn’t notice how broken the card is after 10 games against a Shaman. Any shaman.

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You exaggerate a little. On a typical swarm shaman it’s the 12th best card and on Terran Shaman it’s near the bottom (probably it should not be played) based on the Drawn Impact. D0nkey writes that the Drawn Impact is how Decks should be constructed.

That has caveats as I have said in the past (e.g. Shopper DH was showing Shopper as the worst impact because it was tutored differently).

In this case Cactus Cutter should be contaminating the Impact Stats of Pop-up Book: however: Cactus Cutter is only the 13th best.

Wouldn’t be the first time, but I disagree, I played every possible shaman deck since that card was out and in every deck it’s just worth much more than it costs

Who else gets 2 tokens for 1 mana? Druid and Shaman, that’s it. And these two also have a taunt. Basically, 2x 0/1 taunt is worth 1 mana by itself, and apparently dealing 2 dmg to any target you want isn’t worth a single mana? What about the card itself? Every card also has a mana cost attributed to it. The card should cost 2 mana and it would still be good.

Because you’re the one with board control and aggression from the start most of the times. But in those games where you’re not, it literally wins the game by itself (picture attack DH, weapon Rogue and other aggro decks who have to waste precious resources to go through 2 taunts for 1 mana).

That’s probably true, but then again, same logic works here. That deck doesn’t need it because it’s too broken even without it. Granted, shaman new cards could be even more broken than a Pop-up book, but I can only vouch for Pop-up book beeing a staple card in every older Shaman deck and it will probably resume to be so once the new cards get nerfed.

It’s not smart to take stats literally in this game. Every +something winrate you get from a card is worth it. If hsguru had a way to prove that the deck would be better off with some other card, that would be cool, but 3rd or 13th, if a card has a positive impact, it’s good, and once you start analyzing WHY it’s always so good, you find out it’s because you get much more than what you pay for.

EDIT: I just saw this post of yours:

You literally confirmed all I wrote here xD That’s why it’s not 1st but 12th. Because it’s played in aggro decks, and it’s a defensive tool. Well, for a defensive tool, it’s hella good in aggro decks.

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The new cards are just overtuned and I bet they will nerf them soon. Notice how most miniset-heavy decks are relatively clunky in the first few turns because they need a specific sequence of cards but they’re still very good win rate so clunky+high win rate means overtuned cards. They seem to do it on purpose because the Players are lazy to learn new cards and they whine they want them OP (see Vicious Syndicate whining to the Devs to buff the expansion cards).

Frankly the new decks are extremely overrated and they will get old very soon in addition because they have a monotonous quality (extremely low randomness) that it gets old very fast.

They are in most cases a more boring version of Excavate because at least Excavation always had a lot of random surprises in the drops.

Ditto. Except for Terran Shaman.

Much more boring, to me. I loved excavation so much that it was the only period in my HS career in which I did great with control-lish decks

I can’t even make myself play the new decks because of how boring they appear to me. Not even winning more helps, when I can win slightly less much faster with older decks.

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Try Warshacks Terran shaman, I climbed to D2 with it very quickly.

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terran? No…blizzard is garbage

Continued support for this mechanic should have been given. IT allows for a whole bunch of a different decks to exist and adds some surprise factor the decks as you don’t know what they generated. My favorite mechanic ever and they just forgot about it.

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Packs of synergies like that are part of the spirit of the miniset’s factions, but obviously they are more clunky and more deterministic.

I fully expect a form of Excavation to return after rotation since it has already happened in part anyway.

I’d have to disagree. I’ve played some (not a lot but enough) and maybe I’m just running an unoptimized deck right now, but it seems like Terran Shaman is insanely good. Rarely have I been able to outplay the number of resources they have. I would have to say that, at least from my experience, Terran’s have the highest winrate, followed by Protoss, then Zerg.

I would recommend checking out how some of the top performers and streamers are playing the decks and do your best to follow their tutelage. I play rather casually currently, so I am not the optimal person to discuss which grouping is best to worst, but what I’ve seen Terrans are on top.

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