DK (me) vs Mage. Mage plays Azerite Hawk and gets a 1 Mana Sargeras, plays Sargeras and gets the Portal, he chooses to improve Imps with first Titan ability. He then plays Queen Azshara and ends his turn.
I play Sylvanas (infused) and take control over Sargeras. I choose Sargeras to send all other minions into the Nether and… nothing. I hear the voiceline but no effect.
Next turn, mage decided to not kill sargeras so i get another shot. I choose Sargeras to summon 2 Infernals and again nothing.
Whenever i took over Titans using YoggSaron or Reska Pitboss i was able to use their abilities, including taking over Sargeras (Using Reska)
Either the Sargeras created by Azerite Hawk doesnt work as intended or taking him over using Sylvanas Battlecry.
The abilities of Sargeras need the portal in order to work.
Since Sargeras was summoned by your opponent the portal was on his side of the field because the battlecry was triggered.
When you took over Sargeras and used one of the abilities there was no portal on your side of the field so the ability did nothing since you yourself had no portal.
Thanks for the info.
The ability isn’t as clear as it need to imo, it doesn’t state that you need to be the owner of the Twisting Nether Portal.
And if that is the 100% intended use of Sargeras I question the decision making process behind Titan Cards. Very odd interaction.
Exactly. Why?
Aggramar also doesn’t depend on you having the weapon from his battle cry.
This is why I question the design behind the Titans. Why make it so different that taking control over most of them is usually a good thin but here it is utterly pointless? Wildly inconsistent
Thats not really a rebuttal to what I said.
Ofc different cards are different. But in a game with rules I would expect consistent rulings to apply or else why bother?
You don’t need to defend bad game design. It is bad design because it’s not intuitive, If a player cannot figure out what is happening by strictly using in-game resources and has to read on a wiki why some wording X applies differently it’s the Devs fault, not the players.
And in case of the interaction i reported as a bug, try to figure out why.
I give you another example. If I own a Keeper of secrets and YOU put a secret in play, my minion gets a buff. Because the wording says whenever A SECRET is put in play, not friendly Secret. So why does Sargeras rely on ME owning a specific minion on the field when it’s not clearly stated that I NEED to own it aka “Your twisting nether” or whatever.
Also remember the old priest deathrattle cultist that said “give a friendly minion +3 health” and they CHANGED the text to INCLUDE RANDOM as a keyword because that what the effect actually did.
Hearthstone Devs are allowed to make mistakes. If you think I am salty because I lost to this interaction… I didn’t. I can provide the replay, it’s not me venting, I am pointing out an interaction I thought was a bug, but is a mistake by Hearthstone Devs instead due to weird game design and/or inconsistent wording
My complaint is valid and I do know how to read.
If you read Sargeras ability as you need to be the owner of the Twisting Nether I can’t help you.
I am not saying it’s a bug anymore, I was wrong on that and understand the mechanic “works as intended”. I am questioning the intention now and the card lacks clarity in that regard
The reason not every single card and interaction are described with essays to account for every possible situation is because the devs sacrifice total clarity for flavor and brevity. They also trust that players are smart enough to accept and learn from playing cards and seeing how they work in the game and that once they discover how an interaction works, that they will remember it forever.
Disagree. Flavour should never make a card interaction weird.
Also from the previous poster, I guess I found the solution. Someone took over Sargeras and used his abilities and the opponent got the benefit (as the owner of the portal). To “fix” the bug they just disabled his abilities when ownership swaps.
They swatted two bugs and kinda introduced another one, but it’s the lesser of two evils and programming it properly might be too much of a hassle.
I 100% agree with Chrizzlyx. I’ve been playing since naxxramas times, and totally understand that not EVERYTHING needs to be explained. But this is actually 1 thing that I think is stupid that it hasn’t been. Everyone would expect the ability to work when you steal it… (like on other titans), and there’s 0 indication that it won’t. The only way to learn this is by losing a game because of it… What if it was the world championship and that interaction hadn’t been done by the player? Not only a very sour loss, but also being humiliated in from of the entire world, for not knowing how the cards work in ALL situations. It should be possible to somehow indicate this without too much extra text… You have to tell the players how cards work, at least to this degree I would say.
This just happend to me as well, and damn it feels bad. Because I thought I was so lucky that I stole 1 out of 6 and was about to win instead of losing, but NOOOO… And I was ready to write a bug report, and instead i’m now here finding out that the community supports bad game design, and that it’s not a bug, even though it clearly seems like one.
Okay, understood - but stolen Sargeras shouldn’t glow blue during your turn (indicating his abilities are available) or let you select and use the non-functional abilities.
Both of those things make it look like his abilities are meant to work, giving the impression their failure is a bug.
And I was ready to write a bug report, and instead i’m now here finding out that the community supports bad game design, and that it’s not a bug, even though it clearly seems like one.