Hey,
basically title. Even when stitched giants are already reduced after one has spent corpses, they still get drawn by Taelon instead of more expensive cards.
Don´t really know what other information to add to this^^
Taelon Fordring and the same type of card fetchers that look for cards from the deck cant see the discount of the cards, they only look for the base cost of the cards.
Another example is the paladin card “Order in the court” that put the highest cost cards on top of your library and always puts “Lightray” on top even if has been discounted.
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I know that this is the way it works. However it is not what the cards say so it shouldn´t workk that way.
Agree, but its how the game mechanic is even if the single card says otherwise.
Somethings are contradictionary and its weird how some things works and other doesnt.
I think its just an oversight on the developers part. These interactions werent in the game for a long time so they didnt thought about it during development and probably didnt notice its an issue after cards with these effects had been introduced.
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You are wrong. These kind of interactions have been in the game for many years already. At least since the days of the Holy Wrath / Shirvallah, the Tiger combo, which was in 2019. Perhaps even before, but this is the oldest interaction I recall off the top of my head.
Card discounts such as on Shirvallah’s Tiger, Stitched Giant, Lightray, etc etc, are all applied when the card enters your hand. That’s how such discounts have been implemented from the very first versions of Hearthstone (when they already existed in e.g. Sea Giant, Mountain Giant, and Molten Giant)
I am, in fact, not wrong. “These interactions werent in the game for a long time” since their inception. As you can see you merely misinterpreted what I said.
As I stated earlier I am aware of this fact and I dont know why it gets brought up to be honest.
The cards clearly state in what way they behave and if one is to expect them to behave according to their description the interaction Im talking about in this thread should not happen the way it does.
Either the card descriptions need to be changed (for example to something like “Gets discounted once it enters your hand”) or the interaction should play out the way its described on the cards themselves.
It has to be one or the other.
Ben Brode, the original game designer of Hearthstone who left the company a few years back after many years of service, has publicly stated that it was a deliberate choice not to describe all details of all cards interactions on the card text. He said that the choice was deliberate to have players learn about certain rules as they play.
Based on the fact that the game still runs this way, I guess it’s safe to assume that the current game designers agree with that philosophy.
Because, apparently, it NEEDS to be brought up, because people don’t understand how those cards ACTUALLY work.
The cost discounts aren’t applied until the card is drawn. End of story.
To be honest that sounds like a developer thing to say who doesnt want to go back and fix stuff he couldve progged better from the beginning.
If that is in fact the philosophy than of course its not a bug, however it is incredibly lazy and unintuitive imo.
Which people are you talking about specifically?
Ive stated twice that I understand how the interaction works.
You said “I dont know why it gets brought up to be honest”.
To me, this sounded like you were referring to occurrences in past threads where it was brought up.
So, I’m talking about the people in those past threads.
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Ahh gotchya. No I just very recently started posting on here so Im not aware of interactions that occured in the past.
Not a bug
Working as intended
I’ll take it anytime over the alternative, which is that some cards would have a wall of text in a 4-point font, end my turn would be over before I could read it all.
This pretty much presumes that the current behavior is an actual mistake. Why would you presume that?
The middle road would be to keep card descriptions the size they are and make all non-mentioned interactions intuitive.
How could it not be? Stitched giant says “Costs (1) less for each corpse youve spent this game.” Taelan says “Draw your highest cost minion.”
If we go by these words than a stitched Giant would cost 7 mana if I had spent 2 corpses, correct?
If we further assume I had an 8 cost mana card in my deck it would now be a higher cost card than the giant.
Ergo: Taelan should draw the 8 cost card, yet he doesnt.
If following this forum for several years now has taught me one thing, it is that what one person considers intuitive is not at all intuitive to the other.
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To be fair: I think the “card only gets reduced after it has entered hand” part would only be ‘intuitive’ to someone who has been conditioned to it working like that.
I dont think there is much reason to assume it would work that way if one were to go into it completely blind.