Highlander decks got really strong additions in the past 2 expansions with Zephrys and Dragonqueen Alexstrasza. Although i like the idea of trading consistency of duplicates for power spike turns, those cards are too strong and since they are not class limited, it becomes annoying facing them vs non highlander decks that draw a lot or discover them randomly. I mean, i know this change will make Bad Luck Albatross useless (and Bombs or The Darkness) but will allow for these cards to be played the way they are supposed to. (Like can`t have Reno and Zephrys on wild Mechathun Warlock or Quest Mage).
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And also allows Rogue to put multiple copies in their decks, so that’s fair, right?
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This also ruins any ability to tech against them with cards like Albatross, Bombs and Hakkar.
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But those cards still work in making the player take damage or draw redundant cards, respectively. So it’s fine, right?
Really hope these cards don’t feel so inferior, that they find their self-worth in other cards only.
A big part of their effectiveness is delaying Zephrys/Alex power turns, though.
Also, Rogue shuffling 8 Zephrys back in their deck and all of them being active would be absurd.
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…these cards are being played the way they’re supposed to. Highlander cards have always been usable in this way–you can build a singleton deck (so they’re ready at any time) or you can put in a judicious number of duplicates (so the cards are usable once you’ve drawn enough of the deck).
I see no real benefit for this change, and you completely take away the ability to tech against highlander cards.
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Noted. So the change should be:
Doesn’t work if you had started with or have duplicates now.
I think my proposal instead would work.
I don’t think Highlander cards are strong enough to warrant a flat-out nerf, especially when we’re about to lose 3 expansions of cards for them to build from.
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Agreed–there are plenty of strong decks with no highlander cards now, it isn’t crying for a nerf. And this card text would be way more complicated than they usually like to go. “This card works if my deck started with no duplicates, and currently has no duplicates, but it’s okay if it had had duplicates in between…” 
If they thought a change this complicated was necessary, I think they’d just HOF the lot of 'em. But again, no change like this seems to be needed.
IMO the real issue is, some players (understandably!) are surprised the first time they play against a non-singleton deck and still get hit by Zeffy. But that’s not “the card is broken”, that’s just, “whoops, you learned about an interaction you hadn’t thought of”. No shame in that!
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People keep suggesting this and it will never not be a bad idea.
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Can you refrain from double negatives, or can you not omit to not make sentences complicated?
Well my thought is that they should be restricted to decks that have no duplicates whatsoever. Yes i know they can be dead cards in hand for quite some time in other decks, but i personally don`t like to see Zephrys or Alex on a Galakrond deck, unless its spefically built for them. As for the Rogue shuffling, just make it that they never work if you have duplicates. Anyway ,they can shuffle Kronx if they want to make your life miserable. Btw did Albatross work for any of you, because it seems they just draw 1 of them next turn when they are against me. Also tbh i am more annoyed about Reno and Zeph in wild Mechathun Warlock, since it destroys any hope on trying to tempo them with a control deck and not pray on Dirty Rat rng.
Terrible idea, if anything just hof zeph.
dunno, i dont play standard so i cant judge how big an issue it is, but i extremely doubt its worth making any card changes.
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Im ok with changing or not changing it. I’m just saying if we have to change it, I believe my proposal would be more viable than OP’s.
Oh i agree it is a much better idea than mine. I actually really like those cards, just expressed an opinion to make them more unique for highlander decks and not the rest.
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The only potential change I think is worth considering is to limit zephrys battlecry to once per game. Certain classes have a far easier time bouncing and copying his effect than others and it can be gamebreaking having to deal with multiple zephrys effects
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Seems fine to me, either commit to the Singleton requirement or don’t. An I play a huge amount of Highlander.
Seems stupid to allow the simple amount of deck space already, with powerful card draw, stall tools, armor gain, removal at the ease, an then cash in on super powerful cards designed for singleton decks. When you start a game of HS, you’re already at 25 card deck. If this was upgraded to bigger deck size, not a problem right?
Cards are only gonna get more crazy at doing things, card advantage, drawing, removal etc. The singleton cards are gonna become auto include at some point in duplicate decks at some point.
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im agree, a simple addition of “If your starting deck AND your actual deck has no duplicate…” will fix this.
It’s absurde that i have to build a less consistent 1x deck, getting countered by every single albatros card and other class can simple ignore him, draw the entire deck and use highlander cards before me.
And let’s not forget if you never played it before, and Battlecry cannot be triggered twice (with Brann, Spirit, Shaman Quest), and other minions cannot trigger this Battlecry (Shudderwock).
Do we also need to add a Supreme Court review for every time Zephyrs is played?
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fix what ? there is no reason for this massive nerf on the cards