5% of players? Where on Earth could you get such data and convince anybody that’s reliable, considering that millions of people play this game? You don’t need 300 people to partner with but rather one or two.
And, yeah, I understand how gaming and the internet works. It’s not my first day on it. There are jerks in the Hearthstone community, and there are also nice people in the Hearthstone community. Not really hard to find a few nice and competent people if you have a bit of patience.
If you in particular don’t want to put the legwork for that, that’s totally fine, but saying that in the name of everybody is not accurate.
Okay, answer this question honestly: how many games have you spectated, not including when required by a quest?
What point? OP laid out a plan for what he thinks is an interesting game mode, it was dismissed with “argle blargle won’t work because I say so,” so we should probably stop pretending there was a point worthy of arguing or that the goal was “civil discourse” of any kind.
I personally wouldn’t play this mode more than likely, but that’s my personal preference, and not something I would claim without evidence that 95% of players would agree with.
The OP made no claims requiring evidence, the response was a refutation that requires evidence, “I wouldn’t play this” is a fine subjective response, “less than 5% of people would play this” is an objective claim without evidence.
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Spectation is completely and totally irrelevant to this. That’s just a random person watching another person play a game, rather than participating in it as a partner to another person also playing.
The point chief to your argument is it’s somehow “impossible” to get playing partners if there was a 2x2 and 3x3, which ignores all modern communication forms and social media.
You also assume that “less than 5%” of the millions of people who play Hearthstone would be interested in multiplayer, and it’s clear you just pulled that out of a hat and you have no means to gather such data, much less in the less than 24 hours that this suggestion has been in existence.
Ironically, if you WERE able to gather such data, that in itself would be counterevidence to your claim that it’s impossible to find gaming partners for this mode, because the same means of communication required to gather such data would also make it possible for everybody else to get the playing partners they’d need for this.
So zero then?
The point is that it’s a friends list feature. And friends list features don’t get used.
And I don’t mean never used, I just mean almost never. It’s a tiny niche doing almost all of the utilization.
You’re ignoring literally everything I am saying, so I am just going to stop talking to you. No point in talking to a wall.
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An assertion made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And when neither side has any valid points, the argument for change loses by default. Burden of proof, therefore, is on YOU.
My wife and I basically just play BGs together. We use friends list features every day that we are playing. We’d already be a potential pair that would certainly at least try a mode like this.
Again, he’s not making any claims that require proof, only suggesting a game mode. He never claimed that X% of people would play, you did. The only one making a claim requiring evidence is yourself.
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… can be dismissed (period)
You are not dismissing it, but refuting it with no evidence.
You are definitely in the wrong here. Suggestions don’t require evidence. It would be nice for them to have evidence but it’s not needed to make one.
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Dude, you’re not a debate moderator, you’re a guy that relies totally on strawmen for all your argumentative needs. I answered everything you brought up and you dealt with it by ignoring it all and pretending I hadn’t said anything and claiming victory on the basis of that pretension. And it’s you who’s making BS claims like “less that 5% of the millions playing this game would be interested in this,” so kindly stop talking about assertions made without evidence. Unless you actually have some means to prove that only 5% of the people playing this game would be interested in playing multiplayer, which you have no means of having.
Like I said, talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You ignore everything said to you and pretend you “won the argument” by pretending that nothing was said to you. Being arrogant is not the same thing as being right.
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This is the number one problem with this place. They absolutely do.
Just to clarify, I’m obviously not ignoring you. I’m dismissing your point. I don’t consider that a personal victory any more than when I stop at a red light.
Sure they do.
But what evidence are you expecting here … in this exact situation. (How would OP have access to said evidence)
OP has no proof that it will succeed as a game mode and neither do you. Yet, YOU made up statistics to back up your claim for no reason.
You can disagree with him but you have no real proof either. Making up statistics just diminishes your status as a debater here and makes you look more foolish than him, which made an argument with no evidence.
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Honestly, you’re right that I don’t KNOW that it would work. Nobody presenting an idea like this does, because it hasn’t been implemented yet and the playerbase’s reaction to it cannot be gauged, it can only be speculated upon.
The reason I think it WOULD work is because the chief draws of Hearthstone are 1. strategy and 2. combos. If you have multiple players cooperating and coordinating with each other, the potential for strategy and combos skyrockets. Based on that, I think it would be liked, because it increases the complexity of a game whose draw happens to be complexity.
Sounds too complicated and convoluted. The main charm and selling point of hearthstone is it’s simplicity. A 2v2 mode could indeed work but would have to be much more simple and straightforward than most people would make it out to be.
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I genuinely think it wouldn’t work and is just tacking on a 2v2 mode in a game that doesn’t really suit it.
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The client is barely holding on as it is. A mode like this would be near impossible with architecture they have for the game. Whether it would be popular is hard to say.
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I think that says more about the client than it does this.
IT does and we already new it was a mess. It really should be built from the ground up again.
HS requires far kess deck synergy than most games. I really don’t see how it’d be an issue. Going to stick to leavers being the problem. Perhaps a system where you can’t play ranked for a time if you leave too much.