Star And Floors and Winning Streak Bonuses should not exist

Full title: Star Bonuses And Rank Floor Locking and Winning Streak Bonuses should not exist

It would make the ranks more meaningful; it would drop people to their real skill rank; we’d know better that way what skill someone has from their rank.

Right now we have the following situation:

1 ) Player has a win rate of < 50%; they still advance rank; that’s because not only their wins are doubled but even when they are not doubled: they get locked to bottoms of ranks [so a winning streak even without star bonuses will advance the rank even if the total win rate is <50% because the rank bottom is guaranteeing a minimum]

2 ) People whine to no end that they can’t advance above a rank; the usual example is D5 but it also happens lower for the more inexperienced; well maybe you are incorrectly locked at the bottom of that rank (because of the bonuses and the rank bottoms) and should be lower with people of similar skill

3 ) And as a bonus it would also solve the issue of blizzard-bots or illicit-farming-bots or other nonsense on very low ranks; that’s because more people who actually play would be at those lower ranks; the player base would spread to their real skill-representing rank

Didn’t you make this same thread before?
I only ask because I have been called out for making the same or similar threads.

But; I love the ranking floors. imo the best thing HS ever did.
Before, this game was exponentially harder to level in.
Best I ever managed was rank 5 in the old ranks.
when really fast secret burn was a thing in my class.

#1. First off, if you have bonus stars you are NOT matched by rank, but by MMR. So everyone with a bonus multiplier isn’t even “in your rank” for matchmaking purposes.

Second, even if you got rid of rank floors, it’s still always going to be the case that the later it is in a month, the easier a particular rank becomes. This is because at the beginning of the month good players (and by “good” here I mean good for the rank, that is, without bonus multiplier) tend to climb out of the rank faster than weaker players do, so the talent is always leaving upwards over time. There is no way at all to make the average skill of players at Rank X on the third of the month equal to the average skill players at Rank X on the twenty-third of that month. So getting all OCD about keeping players of a certain skill level at a particular rank all month is a complete impossibility, a fool’s errand.

That said, who cares if those players rank up? It’s silly to try to prevent it.

#2. Those people enjoy whining. Like you, for example. You make these threads because you enjoy making them. If you didn’t have this “problem” to “solve” you’d just find something, anything else to make a thread about. Getting rid of all the legitimate problems wouldn’t stop you from making new threads to present new “solutions,” and it won’t stop the whiners either. If Heaven was a real place, there’d be souls in it complaining right now.

By the way, stop making new threads so often. The quality of your output doesn’t justify a high frequency.

#3.

These do not exist.

These exist, but your idea wouldn’t solve the problem the represent. If you took away rank floors the number of bots wouldn’t change at all, it’s just that the bots (as well as many of the flesh and blood players) would be lower rank.

BTW, even if BlizzBots were brought back, your idea wouldn’t solve that either.

You start from a fallacy you don’t understand. A correct system would have more meaningful ranks.

I.e. being something like Diamond 5 now is extremely lower skill than being Diamond 5 on a “no hand-holding” honest system.

Nonsense. I have friended dozens of people that were just matched with me. With absolutely no exception not 1 of them was below the rank floor or above the next rank floor (I stayed for a very long time in diamond 5-1 another month).

Ignorant response. Go Google Hearthstone matchmaking why don’t you?

So you’re literally saying getting exclusively dozens of Diamond ~4 when I was Diamond 4, was just a coincidence?

Show me the source because if it’s official it’s probably outdated or not applying to preLegend constructed.

edit:

So your response makes me right. On the wiki: “(Ranked) matches involving at least one player at Legend rank”.

I.e. If you’re not Legend or if you don’t get the rare bottomLegend in Diamond then MMR is not involved (or involved lightly).

I don’t think that’s what that means.

It is because most players at Diamond 5-1 do not have bonus stars, and those that do are not being matched against Diamond 5-1 MMR players. Once you are out of bonus stars and achieving one star per win, you are matched by rank, not MMR (this is why your opponents are all the same rank as you). This is information that Blizzard have shared publicly.

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My bad. I shouldn’t have assumed that you are capable of research.

That is ONE of multiple times MMR is used. The article you’ve probably found also says

Ranked play without a Star Bonus is determined by each player’s rank.

The reason it says it that way is because if you have a multiplier it is NOT determined by rank, but by MMR.

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It is time to join the circle around the campfire, hold hands and sing kumbayaa songs while imitating the white doves of peace.
Done?

Now go back back to fighting with a clean spirit and a purified heart.
Or something.

believe as you like. I enjoy the ranking system far more now, and I don’t think I’m alone in this.

Dude saw a straw, and decided to grasp at it. :laughing:

The rank floor didn’t exist before, THAT was a difficult climb, today it’s a walk in the park and you “Mr. IvBeenEverywhereIknowEverythin” would be the first to stay at the bottom without it :coffee::relieved:

It was way harder than now. I don’t miss it.
Rank floors are one of the only things Team5 did that I love.

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I wasn’t around for that. How’d that work? Not play for a day and fall in ranks basically?

No, you would fall when you lost, and then your rank would reset at the end of the period like it does now.
Every loss would cost you stars, and when you lost all of them your rank would drop.

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It was alot harder than it is now. I never hit legend under the old system.
And that was back when my class had scary decks.

No. I had no star bonuses and I kept getting friends on the same rank. Also Scr0tieMcB said I’m going to google a source confirming you and I found that the wiki says “MMR only works if at least 1 of the 2 players is in Legend”.

Read the above reply to MoonUnit for the OP topic. As for your abusive personal attack, try to practice what you preach when on the other thread you just told us “only you abuse; we don’t abuse; it’s you…!111”.

You all got this partly right and partly wrong

While MMR is not used in sub-Legend Ranked matches without a Star Bonus, it is still recorded and altered after each match.

It’s still calculated and changes based on the games in lower ranks than legend, but are not used there, which is why when grinding legend in the early days of the month you get both very hard and easy matches, because you get matched with a player of your rank, no matter their MMR.

But it’s false that it’s not used in games sub-Legend and I know this from experience because as a low-level Legend i Have been matched with diamond I and diamond II opponents, which means their MMR is used for that matchmaking

And that’s why you NEVER quote from Wikipedia. You quote personal references from experts or scientific articles, nothing more, nothing less.

As you should. No star bonus = matched by rank.

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