Please change the title now to stop luring any arrogant people into this thread PLEASE
And how exactly did you come at that figure anyway?
STOP new people should now join this CHAOS
I mean having 1 less champ in a 40 card deck with 2 other copies anyway is going to matter in such a small amount of games. It’s a guess of course, but I’d suprised If it came anywhere near 1%
Well, after trying LoR, im sure HS wont be a competition for it. Its like a different genre. MTGA is the one should worry.
Lets use some analogy. Anyone is a biker here? Its like cruiser vs sports. Both are bikes, but ride by different kind of people and giving completely different sensations.
Im Cruiser guy btw. Go full speed with those abomination at tracks please. You should slowly enjoy the wind and the view on the road. Enjoy the cruize instead of worrying which stuff to crash.
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Yeah they are different games and what’s the point of this thread is should be closed!
So you answered my comment about people selling LOR with BS with a made up figure?
They are different, that’s the point of comparing them.
If you have a problem, you are welcome to turn your device off and do something else.
I’m not trying to sell lor with a mad up figure, I’m just saying having 1 less champion barely effects the winrate lol.
I am saying it’s not different than missing a HS Legendary.
Well, actually it is different. Let me not BS. It has a 3/4 difference based on the different deck size.
Whatever the WR difference actually is, without a detailed analysis, I will concede it to have a 3/4 of the effect in LOR.
Not to poke the hornets nest, but this is false, just like it is in HS. Have you recently checked how many variants of, say, HL Hunter there are on HSreplay? Would you consider any of the not to be meta despite varying winrates?
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it’s not the same because in LOR there’s a Champion cap.
But swapping out core cards of the highest rarity (or cost in physical games) in all CCGs because of availability makes it a budget deck.
But it’s not the same effect to sell the game by saying that you have so many budget decks vice meta decks.
Some players Also quote with one Star to hearthstone, over all, hearthstone 4 stars, LoR 4.5 stars, that metric didnt help your cause, it maked look worse lol.
i get your point, you are angry AND you want to attack the people that are not HS fans but what you are saying isnt logic or argumentable
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If the deck is indistinguishable to the opponent, in the vast majority of cases, then IMO its still a meta deck. I mean, my OG Control Warrior back in the day was running Gruul for a couple of months while I was saving the dust for Grommash, yet I very much doubt many people would say it wasnt a meta deck 'cos in the vast majority of cases the “suboptimal card” made no difference to either the gameplay, nor the result.
I cant say the same is true for this argument, I dont play LoR, and am not currently interested in trying it, but it sounds very similar. And thats before we even look into the comment I was replying to:
Which is what I am comparing to HS. You dont need all 30 cards for a meta deck in HS, as shown by my HL Hunter on HSreplay statement.
We are not talking about suboptimal cards, tech choices, micro meta choices, personal preferences, etc.
We are talking about subbing the most expensive cards because of availability.
HL Hunter’s isn’t the best comparison in any case because there’s no Legendary cap on HS, so there’s no 11 Champ decks on LOR (using the 3/4 analogy from earlier) to compare it HL Hunter’s 8 Legendary deck.
A better comparison is Stealth Galakrond Rogue, since it has optimal builds using only 4 craftable Legendary cards. And those are Kronx, Flik, Edwin, and Togwaggle. Hardly any cards you want to cut.
Bomb Warrior at 5 is also a good comparison. And here it’s Deathwing, Ancharrr, Boom, Grom, and Greenskin. another set of cards you don’t want to cut.
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You cant assign your own criteria like that. You explicitly stated ALL 40 cards as well, only further making me question your claim.
Its fine that you prefer HS to LoR, but you are coming across as trying to downrate the competition for no reason other than 'cos you can.
Again, you explicitly stated ALL 40 cards, otherwise its not meta. Which 30 card deck is the meta HL Hunter, or Aggro DH, or Gala Priest deck? There are enough different builds of ALL decks in HS to instantly refute your claim of “all 40 cards, or not meta”.
Now you are moving the goal posts to fit your agenda. Youre better than that Marcos!
Then why did you choose HL Hunter as the point of comparison?
A deck with a 78% higher proportion of the highest cost cards than is possible in LOR decks, in a discussion about new F2P players being able to create meta decks.
First deck that popped into my head tbh.
And if in the absence of said cards, your opponent can distinguish it from the “meta” deck, then its no different to my Wallet Warrior comparison above.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, odds are ITS A DUCK - even if it does only have 1 eye!
The only way which, as I said, I cannot confirm/deny due to not playing LoR, what you say is accurate is if the absence of the cards in question had a similar impact to Malylock w/o Malygos, or Razakus w/o Raza & DK Anduin. Otherwise its a moot point youre trying to make.
It’s completely different.
You can run 3 copies of 2 champs. They’re subbing the 3rd copies of both Kalista and Elise.
If you play one of them, while they are on the board, extra copies in hand transform into a spell, which when played shuffles an additional copy into the deck.
Which doesn’t really matter because Kalista and Elise’s spells both suck lol.