It was “nice” to nerf Hooktusk but as usual it was a bit too much. She went from Tier 1 to tier 4 in the blink of an eye. A one gold HP would have been enough. Meanwhile Eudora is still ruining BG like she was before. The hero has a tier for herself, is almost a guarantee top 4, go top 1 25% of the time (yes 25%, I just checked the stats, 1 game out of 4 she’s winning). And on top of that she deals A TON of damage. You are so-so in the game and face Eudora on turn 8 ? BOOM 20/25 dmg in your face and not even playing pirates. Yay ! Good luck winning now.
It’s always the same. She’s loosing most of the time early game and all of the sudden, SUPERPOWER-GIGA-BLAST activated and she just rolls on everyone. Not win, ROLL. She has to be most imba hero since Tirion and his “mother” Hooktusk.
Yeah those triple are random and can be awful, yeah it take some time to get it but even with that she has a 3.56 spot on average. She is the only one above 4 and by a large margin. You can play like the biggest turd on earth and still got top 4.
So be kind and do something for this autowin hero. Thank you.
Well I missed it and obvisouly it didn’t change much. Delaying his dig to 5 would be more efficient. Her power spike has to be either delayed or weakened and atm I don’t see how to make a triple less efficient. Triple + free minion for 4 golds is just too strong. So just add a dig.
Totally agree… I have gone from 11700 staying at that rating stable to10500 and cant stabilize because I get matched up with Eudora once or twice… this latest patch has been the most unbala ced so far and has made the game almost 100% RNG.
Your ranking placement means nothing since it’s just a roll with the dice…
edit: Speaking of it, just happened again. was 40 hp winning every matchup took 18 from eudora and couldn’t stabilize before dying… I have socmany bad things to say about blizzard…
Yeah… Finally have her twice today. It just feel so fair to hard loose early on, up tier 3 while ending your first dig and GG your are safe for a top 4. In those two runs : I had the worst units possible, awful early games, reached tier 3 with 25 and 22 hp, had a Pogo and Togwaggle as my first triple and still went second and third with the worst board I had since a while (some pretty poorly build menagerie) only to loose to galactic murlocs.
You just dig, work with your triple and what you get from it and there is no way you’ll lose MMR. A “free” golden unit + a drop 4 when everybody has just reached tier 3 is most of the time a free winning streak no matter what you had before. It’s beyond unbalanced.
No wonder she’s winning so often. Get just a decent early, proper triple and it’s a highway to tier 6 and top 1.
I love playing this hero,its very fun.
But it depends on rng so much,like one time i got golden righteous protector and i think i came in 6th or even worse.
Then last game i got golden khadgar with murlocs and beasts in the pool and i got first after discovering kalecgoz from token spam.
For those who are curious about how to play him,this is the curve.
a:token or tavern discount pirate
1-buy token,sell token dig/buy pirate sell pirate dig
2-level,sell token dig/dig
3-buy a tier 2 (can roll once),dig
4-level dig
5-buy twice dig
6-level roll once dig
7-buy 2-3/roll,dig
8-lvl dig
Digging on turn 1 and lvl+dig on turn 2 is superior to slower curves which get the t4 discover 1 turn later,that i am quiet sure of.
B:Without token the curve is different and i am still not sure how to play it optimal without token/discount pirate.
I used to go
1-buy
2-buy dig
3-roll buy dig
4-lvl buy dig
5-lvl dig
But maybe you can also dig on t1 and still get a t4 discover from your dig 1 turn earlier though i have not figured out yet how to do that while keeping a nice flow and not taking to much damage.
I don’t think Eudora is too strong - I think the rest of the pool is too weak.
There are sooooo many bottom tier heroes that you end up in lobbies where you can almost decide top four before the first minion is picked based on the crap heroes you see. This, imo, is a bigger issue than Eudora’s relative power. If we dropped the bottom 50% of crap heroes would she still be head and shoulders better or closer to the pack? Hard to say without numbers, but something to at least consider.
The nerf to hooktusk is exactly what I mean. Removing the discover mechanic ruined the hero… she went from tip top to trash in a week. I have seen suggestion of one gold for her power, which might work. I advocated a CD of one turn to “reload” her power. In the end, blizzard made a shortsighted and heavy handed blunder nerf that only served to make Eudora and other top heroes stronger.
It’s time to look at making mechs viable at all phases, remove some of the trash minions that clog up the tiers and prevent class synergy, and evaluate if murlocs need so many battle cry buff minions.
Tl;dr: Eudora, imo, is a symptom rather than a problem.
Well it’s easier to nerf one hero than buff everybody else. Even if I agree with you.
Meanwhile, played a lot today and every single Eudora there was (and for those I could stay alive long enough) went top 3 or more. Once again never seen a hero this consitent since Tirion and old Hooktusk. She is a problem not a symptom. You can’t have a single hero that automatically steal a spot in the top 4 just by existing. It’s funny how they just killed Hooktusk while they so barely touched Eudora we didn’t even notice it.
Anyway as long as those stats exists : https://hsreplay.net/battlegrounds/heroes/ anyone thinking she’s fine is delusional.
There are a number of really consistent heroes if you know how to play them. Daryl is hella easy top four with any kind of competent pilot.
I am not saying nerf Eudora, I am saying she’s not as op as she looks. Hooktusk was dominating everyone and everything and the nerf they applied absolutely ruined the hero -unplayable bad.
If they take that same approach, all we get is another tier 4 hero and then we can complain about nerfing other heroes.
They need to fix the pool of cards on each tier to clear our crap, which would help many heroes take less chip damage in the early rounds.
They need to prune or redesign half the heroes that suck.
It isn’t about Eudora is op, it’s about the cards, tribe power, and hero pool are all out of whack right now.
Well sorry but with all that, she’s still dominating by a landslide which is the definition of OP. If everything else sucks and she it still above, that’s OP. I’m not asking for another nerf to tier 4. Not happy with what they did to Hooktusk even if something has to be made. But she doesn’t require any effort to win. You play her you have 70% chance to get top 4. Daryl is strong but requires some setup and to actually do something, Eudora don’t. And you could make a case like that for every tier 2 heroes but it’s not gonna change the issue.
In the meantime, they not gonna remodel the whole game to balance everything. first of all it’s not the subject here. And they are in way too deep to do something, especially with the heroes pool. You can’t remove or rework everything that sucks. Best way to even everything is give more health to everybody or find a way to reduce the damage so everybody get a chance even with a low hero. But reworks half of the heroes pool and rethink the minion one is quite like asking for a new game. Especially since they redo mech just a bit ago.
But once again, this is a complete other subject and just adding a dig to Eudora to make her a bit less OP is quite easy and needed atm to get at least some balance between tier 2 and Eudora tier.
And btw @Peverin do you have a link for this nerf ? Can’t find anything on it, went to reddit and everybody told me there was no such nerf and she has never been able to find a triple than her tier.
Except they have been doing this continually since release.
This is technically still a beta release, which means they can and will scrap entire parts of the game… (see nightmare amalgam, tirion, cobalt guardians, etc.).
They redid mech and killed it. It’s a dead tribe. I haven’t seen a first place mech in idk how long. Why? They killed all the middle minions that got you to the late game and made a viable comp.
At the same time they slowed demons, mechs, and beasts (by pushing key minions to higher tiers), they sped up the meta with early game buff heroes.
AFK was one of the strongest heroes but now she’s trash… not because she was nerfed, but changing the minion pool took away most of the truly strong choices for her. There aren’t enough to justify picking her now whereas before you could get a floating watcher, soul juggler, cobalt, etc…
They need to decide about how to balance each tier so their are similar number and power for each tribe. The reason so many heroes are imba atm is that the ones that buff early game win and the late game ones lose before they can shine.
Hook and Eudora were op because of the early board they could build. Not taking damage early gives you the edge getting to 4th+
I agree she needs to be fixed, but she’s not the real problem.
Yeah but you are talking of things which were solved one by one. Your “demand” require to rework a ton of champs and to fix a whole tier (tier 3 is definitely too clutch to my eyes and has always been). In this topic I’m just asking for a nerf on single overperfoming champ. Again I’m agreeing with everything you said about the current state of the game but it’s a all another story. It will definitely even things out between some champs and improve the game but it’s on another level of work.
Pretty much this. There are instances when those tribes win but you have to be really lucky with rolls. What I’ve seen, I haven’t played in a while, most dominating are Murlocs. I am getting sick of them.
4 gold for 12 gold worth of minions. Just think about that.
A Eudora recently got a Herald of Flame off her hero power just as she tiered up and proceeded to wipe opponent’s boards with one attack. I took 18 from her after not losing a match the entire game. She then proceeded to hit the next to opponents for 26 and 28 damage respectively. NOTHING justifies that. Absolutely nothing.