So done with this game

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I don’t even know why I’m coming here because I know all I will get is flamed for what I’m about to say.

Hearthstone has always been no different than first person shooters, pvp WoW, or any other pvp game. I have always sucked at videogames. Going back to the NES days. I really enjoy them, but not when it’s me against other people and I for some reason lose more than the next guy. I don’t know what it is that I don’t see. In FPS it’s probably down to actual physical skill. Some people just have better reflexes. But you would think that in a game like Hearthstone it would be more like your intelligence. I figure I’m a pretty smart guy. I have earned college degrees. Something stupid people generally can’t accomplish. Although I know that that level of stupid is the bottom 20% as a bachelor’s isn’t really that hard.

Despite that I don’t know what it is that I don’t see that other people do. The game was new and exciting and fun for the first few years but hasn’t been for a while now.

And honestly I’m tired of losing more than I win. I placed 8th place in a battleground over the weekend. Thought I was coming along quite fine and with the team I was putting together I would have won maybe half my battles, but literally lost every match until I just straight up quit the match at 10 health left.

Tonight I get win 5 ranked matches for weekly and play 3 games daily. Okay so I try Tavosh quest hunter. Get beat by Lock who got off 2 big demons that I had no solution for. Lost 9 to 0. So I almost win. Okay fine. So then I tried big dragons druid, but get a rogue who out bigs me with the giants that are based on how many other minions on the battlefield, cards in your opponents hand, etc. I basically lost because I ran out of ways to keep up with him (which you can also read as cards). 2 losses now I tried Shudderwock/C’thun/Battlecry build sham. I get a priest with the typical priest deck of play 7 deathrattle minions, educated elekk with grave rune & spirit of the dead, convincing infiltrator, and khartut defender. Basically no way to win regardless of what I have because as I’ve said for years priests are OP.

I’m just really tired of it feels like there is no way to win.

Don’t know why I’m playing mercenaries as there doesn’t seem to be a good enough reason.

Hate arena, always have.

Hate duels

Do tavern brawl because it’s 100g for 1-3 matches.

But really nothing Blizz has done outside of bg’s has really added anything major to this game in the past like 3 expansions. The last expansion had only 1 major new deck, volatile skelly’s mage, but otherwise I don’t recall seeing any other classes playing a new deck.

And I’m still not sure that Prince Renathal was a good idea.

So why am I spending 20 hours a week + up to $1000/year to play a game that is so ungodly frustrating because maybe all the bad players like me have quit so there’s no one to beat and there’s nothing new to get excited about anymore?

And yes I have watched Youtube and checked out Hearthstone websites for strategies to try and improve my game, but as I’ve said in a few posts over the last 2-3 years if you play ranked wild it seems like unless you’re a pro priest player you’re going to lose every time you get matched up with a pro priest player and since they killed the demon seed the only other way to seem like you have a chance is tavosh. And playing 1 deck over and over is mind numbing.

I’ve tried all 3 demon hunter decks I see. I lose 60% of the time with Demon Hunter.

I’ve tried all 8? lock decks I see. Seems only a Reno/Demon deck has any chance, but at best 50%, which should be fine right?

I’ve tried the 2-3 priest decks I see. I can’t for the life of me figure out how other players seem to have a better time with the 7 deathrattle quest than I do. I win at most 50% of the time with priest.

There doesn’t seem to be any rogue decks. Yes pirates, or the deathrattle one that I’ve kept, but seems clunky like it’s a hodge podge and not an actual strat like C’Thun was back in the day or the aforementioned priest strat.

Mages are another class where it seems like other players have a better time than I do with the volatile skellys, secrets, or time warp decks that I see.

Druids are another class with multiple decks only 1 or 2 at most that actually seem to work unlike the celestial alignment strat that was big for a little bit until everyone realized it’s a gimmick deck which means it only works when X happens, otherwise you are a guarenteed loss.

Warriors basically only have the pirates strat because everything else they used to have doesn’t really work anymore.

They nerfed the freeze everything else minion and so shammy’s got screwed.

And pally’s are like druids in that they have a lot of deck options but only like 3 cards that you must use. So nothing that is guarenteed to win if you go with this strat.

And hunters have Tavosh.

So why did I collect all the cards just to be able to not use them unless I like losing over 60%-70% of the time?

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I’d recommend watching people play the decks that you’re interested in playing. It sounds like you’re either playing really bad decks up against really good decks, or you just might not be playing the decks correctly.

A big part of this game is not intelligence imo. It’s very similar to what makes you good at the other games you listed - knowledge of the game itself and familiarity.

For example, in FPS shooters you start playing, you’re almost guaranteed to get destroyed by others who know the maps like the back of their hand. You don’t know the best areas to hide and snipe from or the little tricks that make you good. Hearthstone is similar.

I’d suggest watching streamers and seeing why they make the plays they do. Often times when watching others play the game, I already know what the optimal play is and what they are going to do. This helps me to see that I’m making the right decisions.

But sometimes they do things I don’t see and I go “ooooh, yah I would have messed up hard there”. And those are the teachable moments.

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Well the advice you need is above but I don’t think you want it. And hey maybe you shouldn’t. If the game bores you these days you ought to take a break if not quit entirely. Don’t fall into the trap of thinking because you’ve invested time and effort and money that you are in a way obligated to invest more. You are not. Feel free to leave this game behind you. There is nothing wrong with that.

I felt a lot like you and so took a break for about a month. I am trying my best to return now and before the next expansion. Expansions often spice things up and this one looks like it most certainly will. You could wait and see come the coming expansion if your interest peaks again (or not). That is pretty much what I am doing. And I’m trying to have a little fun with the new cards before they’re pulled out of standard.

To reiterate my first sentence, however. You definitely should consider making friends that are skilled at this game and ask them if they’d be willing to tutor you. By this I mean to spectate your games and help direct you and understand the optimal plays. Moreover, it sounds like when you do lose you have a tendency to switch decks. I recommend trying to stick to one deck at a time to learn the ins and outs of that deck. When you are constantly switching decks it is harder to learn them precisely. And finally you should probably take Schyla’s advice and watch both tutorials and streamers. I recommend NoHandsGamer as he frequently explains why he is doing what he’s doing.

I hope this helps but if you decide screw it again you should not have any qualms walking away. There is nothing wrong with that.

:slight_smile:

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It seems like you try lots of decks but don’t spend enough time to really learn any of them.

I’ve been playing the same deck for several weeks and I learn something new pretty frequently as I see different situations or face different opponents.

Do you play on a pc? Maybe you could track a game or two and some of the good players here could give you some pointers?

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I had totally forgotten about that. @Arkista allow me to explain (if you don’t already know) how to share replays of your matches.

Visit HSReplay and download their deck tracker. From there you can record your matches and visit HSReplay.net and click on “My Data” and from there “My Replays”. You can then click on any replay you’d like to find and share it with players here that can help you to observe and report what you could and should have done in that match.

The first step in improving is knowing that you need to improve. You already believe that you’re a bad player and that’s a good start.

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The only problem I see with walking away to maybe coming back is the same issue with WoW. I played that game from BC to 2017. I never got to do vanilla as the people who played it from day 1 did. I did eventually basically accomplish those achievements as time went along and when I left I had probably completed most everything there was to complete. But when I decided to quit I was absolutely certain I was not going to go back as accomplishing things in that game seemed to take no less than 20-30 hours a week. Meaning if I went back now I’d never catch up. At least 2 expansions have dropped since 2017.

The same thing happens in Hearthstone, only instead of it being time it’s money. Sure I could go away for a month, but that would cost me 4000g from the looks of where I’m at now and where I have been historically. So $40 or thereabouts. If I quit for more than a year that would be at least $750. No way I’m coming back to have to drop that much immediately. Yes I know I wouldn’t have to, but just not have 3 expansions worth of cards? Nah.

To everyone else saying learn a deck or watch pros. You missed the part where I said I have done that. I have went to websites seeking deck advice. I’ve watched Youtube videos. I played secret pally when that was the deck to play 2016? I got to what would probably be gold 5 in today’s meta and that was playing the deck 2-3 times a night for that month. I only got to gold 5. In today’s meta being legendary or gold 10 doesn’t make much difference in the grand scheme of things. At legendary I get more rewards, but I already buy all the cards up front because I want all the cards.

The issue for me isn’t so much about sucking at Hearthstone as it is about seeming to lose too much. Making the game less fun. I’ve heard people say that good players win 60% and bad players 40%. I don’t even mind losing, but when I get stomped over and over that’s what makes me say F this game. Battlegrounds this past weekend where I lost the first 10 matches and found myself 8th with 10 health left? I’m like this is bulls*$& so I conceded. Losing all 3 of my ranked wild games tonight? Again bulls*$&. Had I won 1 out of those 3 I probably wouldn’t have come here. Tomorrow maybe I win 2 out of 3.

I play probably 12 battlegrounds or so per week and place 4th or higher probably 5 times.

I play tavern brawl for the pack of cards and have to usually play 2-3 matches.

I play ranked wild and get to silver 5 most months because I don’t play 150 matches a month and find no pleasure in playing the same 12 decks I’ve been playing for 2 years now because Blizz hasn’t dramatically changed what decks people will build for years now because well I suppose adding 1 more expansion on top of the already existing 15 means you don’t get the punch from these more recent expansions that we did back in 2015 when a new expansion added a third of all the cards we had to play with back then.

The only thing I actually play and don’t mind is mercenaries, but I wonder what the point of it is because it’s a dumbed down version of Diablo 3, which was a dumbed down version of WoW.

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Catch up to what? You have standards in your head that you believe you need to meet but you don’t. You don’t have to be on the level of everyone else. You can play more casually.

I didn’t miss that part but if you would rather win more often (which I think you do) you need to heed this advice.

Again you are setting these standards (like needing to have every card) that you can change. You don’t need every card. For many players for example part of the fun is actually earning cards through gameplay instead of with money. These players don’t have every card and will often only have one or two optimal meta decks. That’s okay.

You don’t need to have a point in playing a game as long as you enjoy it and are having fun. That’s the whole point. Remember that.

Edit: And please don’t read this comment in a negative tone. I sincerely would love to be able to help you (whether that means quitting or improving (it’s up to you)).

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At the end of the day if your game is a hassle drop it like a bad habit.

If you don’t have fun, do something else. Try a new game.

If you want card games, there are several. I have heard Runeterra is fun, but I haven’t tried it.

If you want autobattlers, there are those out there, too. Doesn’t riot make one of those as well? I thought there was a former HS dev making an autobattler, too, but I don’t know what it’s called.

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Also, this game seems to be getting to where WoW was in 2015. Blizz has started to run out of ideas for new stuff so there is an occassional new idea like LFR in WoW or bg’s in Hearthstone so they start doing the let’s add a bunch of crap for players to collect to keep them coming back as if that’s supposed to be an okay replacement for an actual reason to play. Here collect 250,000 pets and 500 mounts in WoW or collect every version of a bg hero portrait we can think to come up with or every mercenary that we will add.

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Please read what I said above. :slight_smile: Why don’t we try and make a start. What deck would you like to get better at?

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All I can say is Hearthstone is not a game you should take seriously. I also consider myself a smart player, not a skilled one, so I save my “competitiveness” to dota 2 where I play as a support and try to ensure the more skilled players have the proper conditions to win the game for me. And if I lose I can always blame my teammates! :joy:

FPS, card games, souls games etc I just play casual. I know I’ll get mad if I lose any 1v1 and extra mad if there’s any form of ranking involved. I just play characters, builds or decks I find fun.

About the money involved, HS is a lot cheaper these days, you really don’t need to put 1k/year if you plan it right.

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Yeah I think I might have spent 1k/year back in 15, but lately I usually buy the $80 xpac and $70 stack of packs and then earning 125 packs worth of gold + the few other things like the tavern brawl packs, quest track rewards I usually am good to go, so $450-600 a year tops.

And again I don’t get angry losing because in this game the odds should be 50/50 that you’re going to lose. It’s just that sometimes like the bg on Sunday where I didn’t win 1 fight from 40+5 armor to 10 health or like tonight when I need 5 ranked wins, play 3 decks I feel confident have a good chance of winning and then proceed to lose 3 in a row. Much easier now than in 15 when if you lost 3 matches you were pretty well screwed because your daily might be win 5 matches and you could only get screwed 2 more times before it was costing you as you couldn’t have only 3 daily quests.

I talked this over with a wow friend and because they’ve taken away the limit of how much mercs you can play in a day I believe since I’ve already spent the money on the upcoming expansion I will only play bg’s and ranked as much as is necessary instead of twice as much as necessary and then focus on mercs. If by April I still feel this way not spending another dime on this game.

Really again it’s not about losing. It’s about the game becoming stagnant it seems. Being less fun that it used to be. And realizing that bg’s doesn’t seem to be about skill as much as RNG and what minions it offers you vs the other players.

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Have it ever occurred to you that maybe you’re just at 20% - 40%?

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Id recommend you just try having fun instead of trying to win

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Okay if you are spending that kind of money you are doing something wrong. You don’t EVER need to spend that kind of money to play HS successfully.

I’m guessing from your ranked matches description that you are playing Wild. I don’t know what to tell you about wild except it’s wild and it is not even remotely balanced because it is wild.

Battlegrounds is a perfectly fine mode but you need to understand how the game is played and how cards they change in it change the games meta. They just recently added a couple cards and removed some that totally changed how you have to approach each lobby dramatically.

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In Wild it’s fairly easy to have fun while also ranking up, it might just be how you’re playing against your opponents. If all else fails, play an aggro deck.

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The truth is, it has and a lot earlier than you probably realized.

While I don’t always agree with the “don’t like it, stop playing” crowd, in this case it is sound advice: stop giving money to something that is clearly taking so much enjoyment from your life.

It’s been clear for a long time that team 5, actiblizz, and microsoft have no intentions of righting the ship, only pulling a slim pickens and riding it all the way down to the fiery conclusion…and taking every last bit of money they can from their customers they can along the way.

In such a zero sum game, going f2p is the only way to beat them at their own game.

Put that money into another game that IS worth the time, money and investment. Or find a completely different hobby altogether.

Since you sound like a pretty educated person, I won’t spell out what a sunk cost fallacy is, but throwing more time, money, and energy into hearthstone at this point when it is only getting worse is living out that idea.

Plenty of people, myself included did the same with wow forever ago, and never looked back when the devs there kept giving the middle finger to the playerbase, as team 5 does here to us. Never let a scummy megacorp, or anyone else determine where you spend your time, or how happy you will be. The minute YOU decide those things, you are free.

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If you were really free, you wouldn’t be trolling these forums of a game you don’t even like.

How very sad & pathetic …

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Unironically posted.

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Well you communicated that it has a lot to do with losing. Admit it or not but losing sucks and winning gives us that hit of dopamine we desire. I am baffled that you won’t take any of the advice given here to improve your experience. The problem isn’t the game but how you play it and your unwillingness to take the best advice possible and to implement it.

I am sorry for being blunt. It is coming off to me that you have no desire to better your Hearthstone experience. Therefore, I am confused why you created this topic. I’m not trying to say “GTFO”. I am trying to help you and so are others here but you don’t want to hear it.