Seems like no one likes OTK decks except the people playing them.
These decks are completely non-interactive and make it seem like you’re not even playing against a person, but playing against the clock.
I don’t understand why Blizzard even allows for these decks to exist.
Because this is what people want: to win without fear of opponent doing something that counters their deck.
Playing against Pirate warrior or face hunter don’t seem like a clock to you though?
Should all face decks be nerfed?
Seems like no one likes face decks except the people playing them.
These decks are completely non-interactive and make it seem like you’re not even playing against a person, but playing against the clock.
I don’t understand why Blizzard even allows for these decks to exist.
Should all control decks be nerfed?
Seems like no one likes control decks except the people playing them.
These decks are completely non-interactive and make it seem like you’re not even playing against a person, but playing against continuous board clears followed by inevitable win conditions.
I don’t understand why Blizzard even allows for these decks to exist.
I like OTK decks and I always try to look if there are new possible OTKs when a new expansion is out.
Despite that, I don’t like “casual OTK”, like when you have mozaki on turn 7 and you win because your deck costs nothing.
I prefer the constructed combo, like shirvalla paladin, mechatun, boars…
I also like when OTKs are a rare thing, so you can surprise someone on ladder or win against slow decks.
The fact that now we have multiple OTKs that are strong against slow deck but also fast ones (they are done by turn 10 or even before sometimes) and that they are popular (so you see them often but you can’t really tech against them) it’s what is making OTK to look bad
It’s fine for these decks to exist but they should not be anywhere near as reliable as they are. Drawing cards used to come at a tempo loss but between the large number of efficient card draw spells and the amount of mana that cards are able to be discounted by it’s very easy for an OTK deck to draw through their deck faster than anyone can reasonably be expected to kill them.
Too much card draw, too much mana reduction.
cause without control decks (pretty much all otk deck are control untill they can get their wincondition together) aggro decks whould rule supreme
I dont mind otk that much. Its a problem when its so consistent and happens rurn 7 or 8 though. Every game.
Too much draw, too much manacheat and too much stall.
Remember when otk meant playing thaurissan on curve with combo pieces in hand and still needing turn 9 for alex to set up.
Pirate warrior and face hunter can be countered given the deck. As it stands in standard OTK can’t really be countered under the right circumstances.
I completely agree with the OP. Wasn’t that the reason they nerfed mage into the dirt?
The problem is the majority of people don’t know how to play the game. They can pilot these OTK decks fine and all but against them they have massive brain farts.
No, some OTK decks should exist, albeit they should be a very small representative of the meta. Usually, only around 2-3 decks or so.
If you have too many OTK decks, you don’t have any Control decks. If you don’t have any OTK decks, you have too many Control decks. It’s a balance.
To further expand if you ever watch a coaching session on Stream and wondered how the Coached player can be so bad don’t. That bad play is the norm. The streamer that is coachiing a .1% exception. The average Hearstone player is bad like the people getting coached. The worst part is most of them aren’t even aware they are that bad and they blame everything but the real problem “themselves.”
Are there good coaching streamers? I’m definitely curious to watch. Especially if they happen to have a YouTube channel.
Yep, OTK decks that need you to survive until turns 9-10 and make it a real struggle to do so are more fun for the opponents, and even those playing it if they want a challenge.
It’s not really the OTK wincon that’s the issue but the speed.
I think there is a reasonable amount of time after which reliably playing an OTK Combo is reasonable. I don’t think it’s Turn 9.
When is it?
Reliably and consistently? Idk, T15? I think that winning the game in a single turn needs to exist in order to keep greed in check, but I don’t think it should be a leading strategy in the meta. The problem isn’t the existence, but the fact there are several classes that can draw their entire deck by T10 consistently. The card draw is always going to be a problem, and nerfing OTKs that pop up because of the draw is just going to be a game of whack-a-mole.
Don’t know about good but i catch some streamer’s doing a random Coaching stream from time to time on Twitch. Mostly Arena Streams because i find constructed boring watching the same decks on boths sides 1000000 times.