this card is what makes deathrattle rogue completely boken. I’ve seen them mana cheat stuff way to early. Who thought giving him 4 mana cheat was agood Idea. Should be toned down to 2 honestly
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It’s a strong card. Problem is, it’s just as broken as everything else. Many classes cheat out crap all the time. So we fix rogue but other classes are broken. The entire game needs to be gutted and toned down.
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It is a new deck people didn’t give enough attention yet. That card is too strong I agree, but we need at least one more week to see where it goes toward.
The thing with current DR deck is that people don’t know how to deal with it yet.
The card cheats out too much mana. Rogues just play too much too early and this because of insane mana cheats.
Same goes for miracle Rogues and tgeir stupid shadowsteps into endless coins.
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Changing from Blood DK to deathrattle rogue feels like lowering the difficulty settings in a video game.
I don’t need to think, I don’t need to consider resources, I play big spell into big minion, I see large numbers, my enemy explodes and my orange number gets lower. The dopamine flows and the braincells die.
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No problem.
People are too spoiled regarding easy ways to deal with boards.
It’s 100% possible to put a fair fight against that deck if you just don’t let despair take over.
Which class except priest can deal with this? Hell even priest is strugling. I just pushed through a game with 2 silences, 3 boardclears, Behemoth, two desperate prayers and 2 gift of the Naaru. And I won with resources to spare.
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Paladin, mage ,Warrior, Shaman.
DR rogue has 2 main points you can explore.
- They don’t deal damage from hand.
2.Their early is almost non existent.
You really don’t need to answer they from the start because they’re very easy to stall or to just aggro down.
You are either a trolling or don’t play the meta or both. I partially agree with frostmage, as it does stand a small chance, but it also needs to highroll draw to not die.
Warrior? Go ahead, clear my board, it will just trigger their deathrattles and i will play more next turn. You will run out of clears or life before i run out of minions.
Paladin? Go ahead and play your control Paladin. I’ll do the same I do to warrior but faster.
Shaman? Go ahead and devolve my minions. My board full of 3 and 4 cost minions will still get the job done, and If they dont, I have 3 more waves of deathrattles coming. Do you have enough devolves? Lets find out.
For the record, I hate this deck so much, that even though I keep winning with it I think I’ll switch to Arena.
The deck is a bit easier to beat now that I know what to expect as a Priest player. However, I’m still concerned how other classes handle fighting the deck. Seems to me that if you don’t have mass silence AND a board removal that you’re likely going to lose.
I’m not on board with a nerf just yet, but I do dislike the high roll nature of the deck where it can just spit out an entire board of Ghouls on turn 4.
Mana cheat once again rears its ugly head.
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Who even said “Control”?
The problem with hearthstone playerbase regarding planning ahead is exactly that.
Unless people are given a literal single answer card who answer virtually everything they just don’t know how to play behind.
And it isn’t devs fault either. The tools are there.
So most people are uncapable of dealing with a powerspyke turn coming from your opponent.
Isn’t their fault since they aren’t incentivized to do but it’s really miserable to be someone THAT weak minded that even a children card game is enough to hit hard.
The deck has almost 0 removals, only 2 deal 3 damage spells. Given that the earliest you’re popping off is 4 if you want graveyard or 3 if you don’t, then it’s easy for decks like aggro druid to push through.
Control decks with silence can also deal with it, so that means that paladin and dk may start running starfish.
Any variant of priest, be it bless or control can easily deal with it if they know what they are doing and what they actually need to disrupt.
Mages/frost dk can freeze the threats forever.
Miracle rogue can also deal with it with deadly concoction before the push turn.
Time will tell if there’s a nerf required, but to me it looks beatable by a wide range of decks/styles.
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Yeah, as long as a few classes are able to keep it in check, I don’t think there’s a huge concern. Looks like Priest is the hard counter and Mage does a decent job of warding it off. Paladin looks 50/50.
The problem is that Mage isn’t really relevant in the meta so it’s up to Priest and Paladin to keep it at bay. But it’s still becoming more and more popular everyday.
The VS report on popularity of DR Rogue is going to be crazy.
Right now if you go to HSReplay and look at games played, DR Rogue has more games played BY FAR than any other deck in the meta. It’s massive.
I’m guessing it’s nearing 20% of the meta by Thursday’s VS Report. Add in Miracle Rogue and we might have a 30%+ Roguestone.
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Fors gods sake every deck is “Beatable”. But if a deck is so strong that it warps the meta around it, then it is too strong. RN the only bad matchup it has on metastats is Aggro druid at 32% winrate. Running starfish against this deck is like trying to just run into your cellar during an atomic blast. in 40 cards deck, you 75% of the time don’t even have the starfish. Even if you have the starfish, thats a full turn to silence, and you propably are gonna smaked for 10-20 next turn if they already had some board, plus they are gonna summon more deathrattle.
Anyway, I don’t know why I am feeding the troll. You are clearly just posting inflamatory statements without any real content behind them.
Edit: Sorry the reply was meant for minami not Shroud.
Good luck freezing the board forever with your 6 “Freeze” cards in your 30 card deck, the only boardfreeze of which is a 7 mana spell. I played Frostdk into 7 DR rogues, and I won a grand total of 1 game when i highrolled cost reduce weapon frostwyrm frostwyrm Lady deathwhisper by turn 4. Needless to say this is not a very likely scenario.
If they pop.off early with some hard bs you can’t do s h i t as paladin. Unless you play control and luckily enough got equality into city tax.
Or 7 mana and anachnaros.
But the point is miracle rogue and dr rogue are super solitaire decks you can’t really interact with unil they pop off their mana cheating combos. Hard to have answers to 5 turn double invincible with double dr spell active.
This is the theme of the best decks insane mana cheating that lets you to play 20 mana in turn 5 and because your opponent has no insane mana chests on his own he can just concede.
Rogue and dh mana cheats needs to be toned down
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They really don’t.
People are calling “Solitaire” any deck they have dificult against nowadays.
This is even why i was against some things related to this term from the start
Because i knew it would devolve into “whatever i have dificult against” rather than strategies that try to force non-games as their main point.
It calls minions , don’t burst you from hand.
A bunch of overstated minions are anything except uninteractive.
And again. Maybe you’re not supposed to just deal with the entire board in a single turn.
Debuff a minion here.
Trade into another there.
Try to get some tempo back over the powerspyke.
You obviously not gonna win every single match but people will not do the biggest highroll possible in every game too.
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They are solitaire because they don’t do anything before pop off turn. Dr rogue plays forsaken bs which has stealth and canonly be removed through aoe.
Tell me how this is interactive gameplay. Tbat before rogue does it bs you can just race him for face dmg.
I guess you must be dr rogue enjoyer to lie about how super interactive those decks are.
Rogue definitely needs nerfs to reduce their crazy mana cheats
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And you’re incorrect.
You can call it a one trick pony deck for that but when that move isn’t winning out of nowhere or removing any chance of dealing with it (darkest hour says hi).
Yes. You’re wrong.
It’s past time of call things what they really are rather than slam the buzzword you think that makes it more worth of a nerf.
This is better for the devs read the situation properly.
It’s better for other players get the best out of this discussion.
And it’s also best for the mental health of both of us.
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Dude why so many lies.
Dr is the top deck of the meta and it’s not one trick pony. It’s mana cheating as hell thx to this card.
I am incorrect but you failed to prove how rouge decks are interactive before they make tgeir mana cheating pop off turn where they flood the board or create biginions wepon etc.
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